What do you mean by always? The birth control makes sense because it's much harder to do it for men because sperm is constantly being produced and women only release 1 egg per month. What other ways do women have to mess up their bodies?
Forgetting about pregnancy and childbirth perhaps? I take it that they meant those things fuck up women's bodies pretty severely sometimes. It's a tough struggle to recover from pregnancy and childbirth, and some never do.
But apart from that, birth control should be an equal burden, IMO.
Oh, wow, do you come off as uninformed! Birth control for women has tons and tons of side effects, and it's in no way easier to prevent successful ovulation than it is to prevent fertile sperm production. In fact, birth control drugs for men have been repeatedly blocked by regulators for having too many side effects, while those side effects pretty closely mirror those of the pill for women. So, interfering with everything from blood pressure to appetite is acceptable when women are affected, but can't be burdened upon men?
Interrupting the ovulation cycle comes at great cost for the body. All the “non-hormonal” ways of birth control we have (except the condom) require either poisonous metals and foreign objects to be pushed inside the uterus, increasing the risk for cysts, causing pain, and regular checkups and painful procedures to be applied or fitted (diaphragm). Or toxins to be applied straight into a woman's private parts (spermicides). Calendar-based methods and “pulling out” have large margins of error, as have condoms.
Firstly: Disregarding the discomfort of having to see the doctor and having something shoved inside your body is a weird mistake, especially men tend to make regularly when talking about those things. Having your genitals exposed to and then painfully tampered with by what is ultimately a stranger isn't a thing most people would describe as a pleasant afternoon activity.
The side effects aren't just from hormones. Imagine having to do a prostate exam every 6 months and a metal plug shoved close to your prostate through your urethra every few years (not the same, of course, just an attempt at an analogy, since men are one hole short down there). Wouldn't you dislike that? Many women are really sensitive around their cervix and implanting the IUD can therefore be really painful.
Secondly: Period cramps increase in severity, bleeding increases for most people, and there are hints that those IUDs can increase the risk for cysts, which in turn cause issues, pain and sometimes need surgical removal.
Period cramps increase in severity, bleeding increases for most people
The two women I dated that had an implanted IUD legit didn't have a period anymore. So not only was the bleeding and cramps not worse, they simply didn't exist.
You honestly seem to just trying to be pushing some agenda, possibly because you had a bad experience and you're assuming that's just the way it is for everyone, when the reality is it's pretty rare.
why is your experience the norm and what I say "pretty rare" not the other way around? Or do you consider "two women I know" a representative group? Are "two women I knew" more significant than what professionals will tell you?
Paragard side effects can include:
spotting between periods
irregular periods
heavier or longer periods
more or worse cramping during your periods
pain when your IUD is put in, and cramping or back aches for a few days after
My wife got repeated infections and had a lot of pain from the copper iud.
If you go looking for testimonials you'll find numerous people who had bad experiences with it.
Also, they really should offer anesthetic or at least a powerful painkiller for the insertion and removal procedures. Doctors act like it's no big deal, but it's very painful.
Yet another case of the medical industry not caring one iota about women and women's ability to identify what is going on with their own bodies. The number of times I've heard of doctors dismissing women's pain and issues makes me want to scream.
I know it has many side effects. My girfriend suffered many of them when she was taking the pill and I had to beg her to stop because it just was not worth it.
And fuck off of course it's easier to stop ovulation than sperm production. It's a numbers game. Also not like I fucking made hormonal birth control. What we have now is bad and you can go ahead and find a better alternative with less side effects. That does not mean the new birth control should also have side effects. Take issue with the people that approved the current ones.
A “numbers game”? Do you think there are little men in your balls, strangulating every sperm cell when it's formed? Or… do you think the pill works by somehow interfering with the ovum itself?
Because it doesn't. Quite the opposite. Just as male contraception methods don't try to kill sperm, but to shut down the factory. Besides: You cannot measure the difficulty or complexity of medical procedures by how many cells are affected. By that logic, brain surgery would be way easier to do than amputating a leg.
What I meant is that it's easier to ensure it works being a numbers game. If you constantly have new sperm being made it's way harder to shut that down consistently than to stop one egg releasing once per month.
Honestly, as glad as this article makes me, I'd still like to see a perfect birth control for women. Periods seem like they must be the worst part of being a woman (biologically, not socially). Having a temporary, reversible way to stop ovulation without fucking up a dozen related systems and causing physical and mental anguish would be nice.
Sucks you're being down voted, I mean maybe saying "idiot-proof" isn't nice but comprehensive sex ed should cover helping those with a noodle understand how to find ones that fit comfortably and what main causes there are for breakage n whatnot. I'm currently having that discussion with my sex buddy, and I can't tell you the amount of times I've had people try to coerce me into letting them go raw dog in the past. Like keep in mind I'm in a state that has not only criminalized abortion but is defunding all planned parenthoods now.
I'm a human, I can make mistakes in the heat of the moment. I've had friend couples I know get pregnant even though they're "professional condom putters onners".
It's not the condom's fault if you make a mistake. Condom material doesn't let sperm through, it's that simple, it's been used incorrectly if it did. Companies don't want to lose time and money with lawsuits hence 99%.
Also, anecdotal evidence while you weren't in bed with them isn't much of a proof, it's as valid as me telling you I've never got any girl pregnant even when we weren't using any protection therefore pulling out is 100% effective.
yeah, not wanting 10 children is a matter of cost, of course. It's baffling to me how unreflected and naive opinions regarding reproduction still are...
The hippocratic oath, in this case. Medicine is all about risk management, the worse the "disease," the more tolerant we are of side effects for the cure. Pregnancy and birth are still pretty traumatic events that, while much safer than they used to be, are still dangerous. Female BC just has to be less risky than that. Male BC on the other hand, has to be as low the risk for a man impregnating a woman, which is to say, almost zero. Pretty much any negative side effect is worse than that, so it's very difficult to pass. I would gladly take one with comparable side effects to female BC, but sometimes unflinching ethics are inconvenient. Better than the alternative, but still.
The Hippocratic oath is not a thing in most countries and not applicable anyway. If it was, kidney transplants would be done without a doctor present (in the US that is, don't overestimate your little made up oath ritual internationally)
Somehow, we manage to accept organ transplants despite it hurting one healthy person a little to help an unhealthy person a lot. What's stopping us from treating birth control the same way?
Same. I've always preferred to be in full control of my own contraception, mostly because I just don't trust anyone else with something that consequential
The only thing that works is abstinence. It's like handling a gun. Don't put your dick in something that you can impregnate unless you're ready for kids.
Disclaimer: This comment is not meant to be taken seriously. Even though it's true.
When I did mine, I drove myself home and put a bag of peas on there for the afternoon. I was fine pretty much right away, but I think medical advice says wait 3 days before you do anything wild.
Plus you have to ejaculate like 30 times in two weeks to clean out the pipes, but your sperm is still active so you can only do hand and mouth stuff. That was a pretty good two weeks.
It's literally so easy and the peace of mind is really nice especially if you're impulsive as fuck like me.
I think medical advice says wait 3 days before you do anything wil
My brother only waited 2 days because he felt like he was recovering well. He said everything felt great right up to the point he nutted. Then it was like someone punched him in the balls. He was like "oh yes... oh yes.... OH YES... OH GOD NO!!!!!
My recovery was honestly pretty bad. I was bed-ridden for about 2 weeks, then 8-ish months of aching pain all day every day. Not actually sure when it finally cleared up, I just realized I hadn't felt the pain in a while. My first nut was about a month after the procedure, and that was also a very unpleasant experience.
My case is abnormal, but even more rare is the guys that continue to be in pain for the rest of their lives. Didn't find out about that until I started digging deeper because of my persistent pain.
That said, I still 100% recommend getting it done.
I’m so sorry, that’s horrid! I have multiple friends who came home with no pain, didn’t do cum for a few weeks, and basically didn’t even notice anything.
That’s so fucking horrible, I wish you had a much better experience. At least you can dump in the gut eternally with no worries, though.
My case is abnormal, but even more rare is the guys that continue to be in pain for the rest of their lives. Didn't find out about that until I started digging deeper because of my persistent pain.
Dang that sucks your urologist / surgeon didn’t let you know about this. Mine was very clear that though it is rare (was quoted 1% which seems kind high to me) he doesn’t recommend going through with the procedure if you have testicular pain in your day to day as it could be a risk factor for having permanent pain afterwards
For the first week doc said no erections- turns out not getting hard was the hardest part. After that, it was like a month or so of no unprotected sex. It's been a few years so I might not remember correctly, but I think he recommended like 15 to 20 ejaculations in that time frame. And I'm going to humble brag here- I've been blessed with a wife whose libido is way higher than mine. But that month, knowing that each orgasm was one step closer to her not having kids again- she made it her mission in life to knock those orgasms out as fast as I could get it up.
I didn't really have any swelling that I can remember- I iced my scrotum for a few hours but it didn't hurt too bad so I stopped after that. Some acetaminophen helped with the residual pain, and I think I had to take it easy for a couple of weeks- don't lift anything heavy to strain your groin muscles.
All in all, I don't regret it and highly recommend anyone who is done having children to get one.
Not saying the pill won't eventually appear but the track record for men contraception hitting the market is not good. It always get cancelled in an endless loop of disapointment.
People serious about sharing the load or protecting women from the aide effect of birth control should look up vasectomy or thermal contraception. It works.
I've been on thermal contraception for 6months myself and my sperm production bas completely stoped with no side effects. Highly recommend.
It is not in this case at least. The method relies on using a device (usually a ring) to push the testicles hiver in your body, and the temperature there is enough to stop spermatogenesis. The current method involves stopping every 3 years for at l'East 6 months to ensure production returns to normal. There is no documented side effect, though it should be noted that as always in this area, fully documented medical trial are pending.
You my ne referring to other methods using higher temps or external device such as heating boxer but i have not experienced not researched those so i cannot answer you.
Man if this is effective in both cost and a high efficacy rate, then I'm so down, assuming I don't experience awful side effects.
I had the unfortunate experience of a manipulative woman lying about using protection, and it led to me developing a fear of others doing the same. It severely effected my dating/sex life all through my 20s.
If either party (or both!) can take easily-attainable birth control, it'd be so much better than we have it now.
It's a shame that male birth control has been so much more difficult to develop, probably due to the male reproductive system not relying on a cycle that can be quite easily interrupted.
The problem with condoms though is that they suck. Like, ugh, I'll put on the toque of shame but stopping a frisky moment to apply birth control is just plain annoying.
Give me the swim team hiatus pill I can take before getting the penis brain, please and thanks.
Well the condom paradox says that if a casual partner is willing to have sex with you without condom that's the biggest indicator for the need of a condom
I exist because my mother told my father that she was taking birth control. My father hasn’t been a part of my life except on a few occasions where he wanted to be here and there, and I don’t hold a grudge. My mom proudly told me this when I was about 9. I don’t blame her either, she raised herself from the time she was 4 years old when her mother committed suicide. She did the best she could with what she had as a person with no education and no parents to guide her.
My father came for the birth of my oldest biological child. He came for a few Christmases. He showed up when I was going through a divorce and helped me fix a car for my now ex. He didn’t have to do any of that. I barely know him at all, and even though it bums me out from time to time, it is what it is.
And also, preaching to the choir I’m sure, that’s the biggest reason I hate AI. We’re already contending with misinformation and bad information, and here comes the confused talking computer to make things worse.
My mother wanted a child. A family. She was clear about it from the start. My dad didn't. Probably didn't communicate it. He didn't bother using protection either. When my mom got pregnant on the first go, he wanted an abortion. No responsibility.
He tried to hide his autism from my also autistic mother. They didn't understand autism back then. She herself considered aborting me out of fear of having a retarded child. She zoned out for weeks, and when she learned I was a girl, she believed god had blessed her. For she thought girls can't be autistic.
Lo and behold, my sister and I were neglected intellectually, socially, and emotionally. Because they did not understand parents supposed to teach children, not threaten them with a belt when the kid doesn't adhere to their autistic whims/expectations.
We raised ourselves with 0 guidence and am I far behind the average person. They are both not asocial, lonely and happy we exist as a means to reduce their misery.
They should never have had children. Life is a mess.
My father bounced on my mother, thinking me and my twin sister died during childbirth. We were split up to keep.it that way. She grew up like royalty, with everything a child could possibly want or need, while I grew up in the desert with my aunt and uncle, who were both unfortunately killed while.I was in my late teens.
They'd lied to me about who my father really was after I was reunited with my sister, and the first time I ever met him I found out first hand how cruel he could be and I unfortunately lost my hand in the fray.
Despite this, he tried everything he could to get me to come work for him and his asshole boss. And mentor.
Ultimately he redeemed himself when he threw that wrinkled prick.down an 3levator shaft, but died soon after.
There's a fair amount of talk in the comments for and against condoms. Has anyone considered a custom fit silicone penis sleeve as a more pleasurable alternative?
Friendly reminder of the core problem: medical treatments are all balanced against the risk of what it counteracts.
Undergoing physical and chemical changes to grow another creature inside you and have it damage everything on the way out is pretty risky. Female birth control only has to be less risky than that.
A male has zero physiological risk from impregnating someone. Therefore, anything except a miracle drug with high efficacy and almost zero side effects is going to stall at the trial stage.
On another note, that speaks to how safe and effective vasectomies are.
Yeah zero psychological risk is a bit of an overstatement. Zero physical maybe, but there's definitely psychological risks, and I'm not even thinking about child support
Edit: I can't read, it says physiological and I'm just deficient in the reading
There are also plenty of medical reasons for even sexually inactive women to take hormonal birth control. This isn't only about pregnancy, which as you say can have all sorts of physical consequences.
Untrue. There are some people that specifically seek that, along with the STDs called "bug chasers." Since I've been cursed with this knowledge, so must you all be.
Honestly, I think condoms are unrealistic. Fucking with a condom is so totally useless that you almost feel a bit resentful of the woman after. Like she has bad minge or something. The first time I had sex I was a good boy and used a condom and I just quit after a while, and sat down and wondered what the fuck was wrong. She thought I'd finished.
Saying "wear a rubber" is stupid. For a lot of people, sex with a condom is completely useless. I'll wear one the first time with a woman as I ofc want to get imtimate, but the sex itself will be useless.
If you aren't creative enough to get off, then sex with you is probably useless too. 🤷🏼♀️
But lame ass roasting aside, being responsible during sex is important. Being able to communicate your wants and needs is absolutely necessary. I'll tell you that I also hated condoms during sex, but it took being with my partner about six months before I felt comfortable enough to bring up a discussion about having sex without condoms. We then talked about the risks of accidental pregnancy, STDs, and my hormones and birth control.
In the long term, the time period we used condoms was worth it because we learned each other's bodies, as well as each other's personalities. Once we did move to sex without condoms, it was sooooo much better, but we also were better communicators and the sex was wayyy more fun.
You have to be willing to put in the time and effort and trust that leads to a real connection first.
If you aren’t creative enough to get off, then sex with you is probably useless too. 🤷🏼♀️
But lame ass roasting aside
Not gonna pretend that I don't deserve it, or that I'm very polite either, but beginning every response with an insult is not some clever 'roasting'.
I don't agree with you that it should take half a year of learning your partner for sex to be good. If you're attentive and interested in getting your partner off, then you can do that the first time, or certainly atleast in a shorter time than that. But it's going to differ between different people ofc.
can't wait for the inevitable surge of pregnancies, as people learn that that sperm doesn't just fucking disappear, and that it needs to be manually cleared first.
The point of the joke is not that they think men are being babies about it. It is that women's birth control causes these same side effects, along with strokes, and a number of other serious, long term issues. However when women say they do not want to take birth control, and instead opt for doing things that require more responsibility of the man, they are often told similar things concerning the negative effects they get when using it, and they should just deal with it.
That is actually not true. Not downplaying the significance of these effects, but...
In the 60s and 70s a large number of planned parenthood clinics were in low-income and predominantly black neighbourhoods, aimed at reducing the number of black babies.
In the same era birth control (more appropriately termed eugenics) programs forcibly sterilized black and indigenous women. Where it was presented as an option, the consequence for not following through on these doctor's "recommendations," were threats to withhold healthcare or public assistance.
The statistics through the 60s and 70s were that roughly 1 in 4 were non-consenually sterilized.
But also, yeah, the results of this trial are fucked and people are right to be skeptical of this drug.
I had assumed the women weren't sterilised by the normal contraceptive meds, but it seems they used a large dose of Depo-Provera which is a legit contraceptive injection. Not the usual pills but still.
There are also stories in that article of people having forced hysterectomies.
Maybe not, but female hormonal birth control can cause liver tumors and blood clots. Can't have more kids if a blood clot kills you.
The moral of the story should be safer contraceptives for everyone...
Unfortunately for women they weigh the side effects of hormonal birth control against those of a pregnancy. Since pregnancy also increases the chance of blood clots and other things they just say "good enough!" And put it on the market...which is bullshit. Either way we're at higher risk of serious health issues.
That's why women are angry. I feel confident saying the majority of women dont want unsafe bc for men. We want more research into safer bc options available for us too.
