Well, this is the fault of the western car brands. They fough transition to EVs with tooth and nail. They wanted to keep fossil fuel cars at all costs. And now they either have nothing at all, or they have to scramble to keep up.
China has over procedured EVs because government subsidize resulting in poor manufactured cars with a lot malfunctions + safety requirements are very lose in China.
The goal is to flood the market, so they competitions can't sell their cars and eventually lose market share.
The competition is welcome. We need it to continue to drive innovation. At least in America, traditional American brands haven't put out anything interesting for years. Just the same models being rehashed, but slightly bigger and more fuel efficient.
Except the US will do everything possible to prevent them from being sold domestically, while still pushing their brands globally. This will lead to a further split in what’s available in the US vs ROW.
We’re doing it now to support legacy industry, try to push development of local industry, and while there is a technological change going on. But we’re doing it at huge expense. Do you really think that huge expense will hold up after legacy manufacturers never show up for the race, lose their global market, and the rest of the world advances?
I’m calling it now: Conservative platform for the 2028 election cycle will be to end those protections, to give people more choice, and to let a few billionaires profit
Unless they come up with something that prevents them from getting DoT certification, sadly I can see them doing that. Or as long as they keep citing “national security” you won’t be able to.
Registration of prohibited car models is not allowed. You might be able to import them, but there might be punitively high tariff and it would not be legal to drive
How is making someone pay sales tax stopping them from buying a car in Mexico? Unless they're going to stop all Mexican cars at the Washington border...
If you just enter the state with the car? I'm not sure what you're suggesting. Are Mexicans who drive their car from Mexico City to Seattle expected to pay this 300% tax? Are they going to check the citizenship of every driver?
You can’t drive a car that is unregistered. You can’t register the car in Mexico, get plates, come up here and expect to drive it around. Eventually when you have to register it, you’ll get a bill.
You cannot register a car in New York without living there to avoid paying sales tax in the state you live in. Most states require you to pay sales tax based on your residency and where the vehicle will be primarily used. Additionally, registering a car in a state where you do not reside can be considered fraudulent and may lead to penalties.
Registering a car in Mexico also requires residency.
I understand the loopholes you are trying to find, but I promise you the penalties for getting caught will be worse than paying the tax.
Please don’t let my comments suggest that I support a large tax on these Chinese vehicles. I think everything is way too expensive and we need some competition.
You cannot register a car in New York without living there to avoid paying sales tax in the state you live in. Most states require you to pay sales tax based on your residency and where the vehicle will be primarily used.
Fine. Do it in indiana. We don't here. I don't need to try to find loopholes when A) they already exist and B) lawmakers are upset about it and are trying to close them.
I see no pasted article link in this conversation thread.
And the reason why people are talking about it is because the fed is proposing tariffs on these cars, In addition to whatever state tax.
Let’s that the car is $10k imported. The fed charges a 100% tariff (suggested by Biden actually) so that gets passed to the consumer. Now the car is $20k, plus whatever sales tax you pay locally.
The reason people are talking about it is because this only benefits the local car manufacturers who won’t make a cheap car.
This references moving to a new state but the same rules apply whether you're moving to a new state or residing in the same state but buying a new vehicle.
That blog is a gross simplification and is not authoritative. Most of the time, you probably want to register your car in your state of residency, but if you scroll down just a tiny bit there are a whole list of states that allow you to register a car as a non-resident. All states respect cars registered in the other states, so if the vehicle is licensed and insured in one state and you have a valid personal drivers license, I see no reason why that wouldn’t work.
Because road funding is derived from car registration, states absolutely require you to register your car there if you live and use the car there. The fact that some states allow you to register your car with them even if it's not your primary residence doesn't negate this fact. That's likely for wealthy people who may have multiple homes and cars that they don't use in other states. This doesn't mean you can legally register your car in NY when you really live in Iowa to get away from having to register it in Iowa. Iowa is still going to want their registration fees and if police see you driving said NY plated car over and over in Iowa, you're probably going to get ticketed for it especially if you have an Iowa license.
The blog is a gross simplification compared to what? All you're offering is your personal theories on how things work.
you won't be able to register it anywhere in the united states; which means that you won't be legally allowed to drive it unless you garage it every night at a mexican address.
This isn't protectionism for US companies it's protectionism for the automotive industry as a whole in the US including manufacturing and sales of foreign brands like Toyota, Hyundai, and BMW. Domestic companies only account for a fraction of cars built and sold here.
Even at 100% the Chinese EVs can be sold cheaper here they will leak in slowly. Chinese EV goes for as little as $12k sooo even at 100% thats cheaper as the lowest cost EV here are almost 3x that
they're blocked in the united states and canada due to a 100% tariff and also mostly blocked in western europe using tariffs other protectionist means; there will be no innovation for you nor anyone that speak english natively.
It's refreshing to see Volkswagen taking customer feedback seriously. Bringing back physical buttons and controls in future models is a smart move towards improving user experience and addressing user preferences. This customer-centric approach shows Volkswagen's commitment to listening to its market and adapting accordingly. Looking forward to seeing how these changes enhance the driving and usability of their vehicles!
If it pass safety standards without all those smart and data collection bs and being reliable for 7+ years with easy part sourcing I might give it a try.
Until they're testing and pass NHTSA standards, fuckin nope.
Maybe people will change their minds once they see the aftermath of high speed crashes in these things. Or crashes with a MUCH heavier vehicle. With the weight of EVs these days you NEED a car that's designed around safety.
I personally own Ioniq 5 but that is because Hyundai has better after sales support in my country than emerging Chinese OEMs.
Not to mention existing Chinese cars currently do not possess enough battery capacity and efficiency for my taste.
Once they fix that atrocious after sales support, I will reconsider them.
FYI, Wuling Air EV probably has the 2nd biggest sales number here in my country but people who own them complain alot about maintenance and spare part supplies.
ICE cars are just as reliant on computers. Have you seen the articles on "your car is spying on you" and BMWs heated seat monthly fee?
Plus, when you consider all the emissions controls required by the government versus the car companies trying to make the cars exciting for the consumer, the whole thing ends up one big giant mess of computer and sensors.
I want to know how much the price of a car would come down if I didn't need to visit a salesperson working on commission. I want to go to Costco, test drive it to make sure I like it, and check out.
Oh, apologies my good Lemming but you're mistaken. We make affordable ones here but the auto companies decided they'd make more money if they artificially keep supply low to keep prices high. Car Graveyards
I feel like a lot people on Lemmy, and people in left-leaning spaces in general, kind of have a blind spot on this one. People get that buying local is good, but not buying American.
It matters where your money goes. People complain about the soullessness of modern American life, and how hard it is to find a good job, and how democracies are backsliding around the globe, and then they buy things from China that are cheaply made and, at most, slightly better value in the long run.
This isn't me trying to be nationalist or xenophobic but whenever anyone (including me because there's no way to completely avoid it nowadays) buys Chinese goods you are supporting a government that is aggressively un-democratic, that actively supports Russia, and also has basically zero labor laws and an absolutely enormous wealth gap between the ruling class and the working class.
And yeah I get a lot of Americans are hurting right now due to inflation but the solution isn't to send money overseas. The best thing you can do for your neighbor is buy union and buy American.
Voting with your dollar is a myth (it's a myth that workers have any vote, not that the dollar controls the imperial core). China offering a viable alternative to not being able to afford cars because companies have arbitrarily inflated prices is great. Arbitrarily spending a lot more money that will mostly go to shareholders in the US is not going to help the worker
Voting with your dollar is a myth? So if the IDF (or ISIS, if you prefer) drops an amazing new EV for $10k, with all money going straight to weapons procurement, you'd buy it?
Very much a strawman argument. China can offer cheap electric cars because they aren't paying american car company CEOs. Also, your argument supposes that American manufacturers aren't supporting IDF...
Their labor conditions are significantly worse than modern American work conditions let's not kid ourselves. Although this never bothers people when it comes to goods made in Mexico.
Yes, let's try to pick apart the one hyperbolic statement he made and completely ignore all of his other valid points. Let's also link a very biased article about Wikipedia that has absolutely nothing to do with anything as some sort of proof that China is some bastion for workers rights. It's not like they literally force people into labor camps simply for being minorities or anything.
The US is far from perfect but let's not pretend they somehow have worse labor rights than freaking China.
Article 17(2) of the Revised Company Law now stipulates that the assembly of employee representatives shall be the basic form of the democratic corporate governance system and that this shall apply to all companies. That means, regardless of whether a company is private or state-owned, whether it is a limited liability or a stock corporation. This is a notable development, as democratic corporate governance as a requirement for all companies is set out in national law for the first time.
An Employee Assembly shall be convened at least once a year, and more than two-thirds of the employee representatives must be present at the plenary session of an Employee Assembly. Elections and votes on relevant matters at an Employee Assembly require a majority of all employee representatives.
"Buying American" would be exporting money for me, and there's no domestic car manufacturing anymore. So I'm sending money overseas no matter what I buy, and it's probably all made in China anyway… :P
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