Treczoks ,

Well, this is the fault of the western car brands. They fough transition to EVs with tooth and nail. They wanted to keep fossil fuel cars at all costs. And now they either have nothing at all, or they have to scramble to keep up.

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

The rest of the world needs to match Chinas wages if they want to sell more shitty cars.

afraid_of_zombies ,

GM did a stock buy back last month of 6 billion dollars.

Cyberjin , (edited )

Hopefully not.

China has over procedured EVs because government subsidize resulting in poor manufactured cars with a lot malfunctions + safety requirements are very lose in China.

The goal is to flood the market, so they competitions can't sell their cars and eventually lose market share.

Cyberjin ,
chakan2 ,
@chakan2@lemmy.world avatar

The problem with that statement is they aren't shitty cars. They're a generation ahead of US tech and way cheaper.

I'd drive a BYD if I could get my hands on one.

Cyberjin ,

Might be cheap, but they are not ahead in tech.
Especially when use their own semiconductors 😂


You should watch the flood of videos from China about Chinese EVs.

Recommend this YouTuber that share those videos

Hidden - China's Flagship EVs are Exploding in Huge Numbers

BYD's Blade Battery is Catching Fire all over China!

Why China Can’t Censor and is Panicking about this EV Disaster

NateNate60 ,

The competition is welcome. We need it to continue to drive innovation. At least in America, traditional American brands haven't put out anything interesting for years. Just the same models being rehashed, but slightly bigger and more fuel efficient.

ramble81 ,

Except the US will do everything possible to prevent them from being sold domestically, while still pushing their brands globally. This will lead to a further split in what’s available in the US vs ROW.

AA5B ,

We’re doing it now to support legacy industry, try to push development of local industry, and while there is a technological change going on. But we’re doing it at huge expense. Do you really think that huge expense will hold up after legacy manufacturers never show up for the race, lose their global market, and the rest of the world advances?

I’m calling it now: Conservative platform for the 2028 election cycle will be to end those protections, to give people more choice, and to let a few billionaires profit

FlyingSquid Mod ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

There is no way they will be able to prevent people from going to Mexico to buy them though. And that's what is being predicted.

ramble81 ,

Unless they come up with something that prevents them from getting DoT certification, sadly I can see them doing that. Or as long as they keep citing “national security” you won’t be able to.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Possibly.

NateNate60 ,

Registration of prohibited car models is not allowed. You might be able to import them, but there might be punitively high tariff and it would not be legal to drive

FlyingSquid Mod ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

There was literally an article about this being predicted to happen soon in this community a few days ago:

https://www.autoblog.com/2024/06/15/chinese-cars-are-pouring-into-mexico-and-the-u-s-is-worried/

Apparently, the people who actually make the laws aren't as sure about this as you are.

555_1 ,

Yes they will. In Washington State, you have to pay WA sales tax to register a new car you bought in Oregon.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

How is making someone pay sales tax stopping them from buying a car in Mexico? Unless they're going to stop all Mexican cars at the Washington border...

555_1 ,

Because the tax for that specific car will be 300%

FlyingSquid Mod ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

If you just enter the state with the car? I'm not sure what you're suggesting. Are Mexicans who drive their car from Mexico City to Seattle expected to pay this 300% tax? Are they going to check the citizenship of every driver?

555_1 ,

You can’t drive a car that is unregistered. You can’t register the car in Mexico, get plates, come up here and expect to drive it around. Eventually when you have to register it, you’ll get a bill.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You can keep registering it in Mexico or you can register the car in a state that doesn't require residency like New York or Indiana.

So, again, unless you expect Washington to put up border check stations, I'm not sure how they can make people pay this tax.

555_1 ,

You cannot register a car in New York without living there to avoid paying sales tax in the state you live in. Most states require you to pay sales tax based on your residency and where the vehicle will be primarily used. Additionally, registering a car in a state where you do not reside can be considered fraudulent and may lead to penalties.

Registering a car in Mexico also requires residency.

I understand the loopholes you are trying to find, but I promise you the penalties for getting caught will be worse than paying the tax.

Please don’t let my comments suggest that I support a large tax on these Chinese vehicles. I think everything is way too expensive and we need some competition.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You cannot register a car in New York without living there to avoid paying sales tax in the state you live in. Most states require you to pay sales tax based on your residency and where the vehicle will be primarily used.

Fine. Do it in indiana. We don't here. I don't need to try to find loopholes when A) they already exist and B) lawmakers are upset about it and are trying to close them.

555_1 ,

Confidently incorrect.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Did you read the article I pasted? Can you explain why lawmakers are worried about this problem if laws already take care of it?

555_1 ,

I see no pasted article link in this conversation thread.

And the reason why people are talking about it is because the fed is proposing tariffs on these cars, In addition to whatever state tax.

Let’s that the car is $10k imported. The fed charges a 100% tariff (suggested by Biden actually) so that gets passed to the consumer. Now the car is $20k, plus whatever sales tax you pay locally.

The reason people are talking about it is because this only benefits the local car manufacturers who won’t make a cheap car.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar
555_1 ,

The worry is that it will kill local competition.

It’s a free market in the US. I should be able to buy a Chinese car for $10k if I want too. If Ford can’t stay afloat, sucks to be ford.

ShepherdPie ,

This doesn't work as you getting pulled over with a WA ID in a car registered in Mexico is going to raise suspicions.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I'm not sure what you mean by raise suspicions. Is that legal or illegal?

ShepherdPie ,

It's illegal. You're required to register your car in your own state typically within 30 days.

bamboo ,

Are you though? Your license needs to be for your own state, but I’ve never read anywhere that this applies to car registrations.

ShepherdPie ,

Yes pretty much across the board: https://www.carparts.com/blog/where-do-i-register-my-car-if-i-have-homes-in-two-states/#What_To_Do_If_Youve_Recently_Moved_Into_A_New_State

This references moving to a new state but the same rules apply whether you're moving to a new state or residing in the same state but buying a new vehicle.

bamboo ,

That blog is a gross simplification and is not authoritative. Most of the time, you probably want to register your car in your state of residency, but if you scroll down just a tiny bit there are a whole list of states that allow you to register a car as a non-resident. All states respect cars registered in the other states, so if the vehicle is licensed and insured in one state and you have a valid personal drivers license, I see no reason why that wouldn’t work.

GiveMemes ,

You have a poor understanding of sales tax bud

555_1 ,

Tariff *

eldavi ,

you won't be able to register it anywhere in the united states; which means that you won't be legally allowed to drive it unless you garage it every night at a mexican address.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You think people with cars registered in Mexico have to go back to Mexico every night?

Mexicans can't drive their cars further into the United States than a 12-hour drive? You really think that?

eldavi ,

it's required to by law; only presidents are allowed to break the law. lol

ShepherdPie ,

This isn't protectionism for US companies it's protectionism for the automotive industry as a whole in the US including manufacturing and sales of foreign brands like Toyota, Hyundai, and BMW. Domestic companies only account for a fraction of cars built and sold here.

demonsword ,
@demonsword@lemmy.world avatar

The competition is welcome

the 100% tariff enacted recently says otherwise

NateNate60 ,

Well, that apparently means the government that did that doesn't agree with me.

eldavi ,

they're blocked in the united states and canada due to a 100% tariff and also mostly blocked in western europe using tariffs other protectionist means; there will be no innovation for you nor anyone that speak english natively.

NateNate60 ,

English-speaking Africans: guess I'll die

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