iirc, that is bc your Forester is an SUV that uses a truck chassis underneath, whereas the otherwise extremely similar Crosstrek uses the Impreza chassis so is more of a high "car". But that could change over the years and I'm not really a car person so don't quote me or anything!:-P
Thanks for the correction. I see now, it's a larger car chassis - so as @empireOfLove2 said, that's not a "truck", light or otherwise, at all!?
I did a search and found this article suggesting that it is a historical (hehe, some might say... "legacy", eh?:-P) naming scheme, based on fuel economy:
The U.S. government uses light-duty trucking as a vehicle class for the regulation of fuel economy by enforcing the Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards. The light-duty truck class includes pickup trucks, sport utility vehicles (SUVs), vans, and minivans.
Since light-duty trucks are typically used for utility purposes rather than personal use, they have lower standards for fuel economy than cars do.
The Forester up until 2008 was quite literally an Impreza/Legacy chassis that shares identical drivetrain components except for the body. It is unibody, Macpherson strut, symmetrical AWD and as far from a truck as you can get.
And the reason for this is that the "light truck" classification has weaker emissions standards, so they can cheap out on efficiency of the engine which means higher profit margins (and more harmful pollution for us to enjoy inhaling).
There needs to be a way to validate if something is a truck.
Isn't there already legal definitions such as gross vehicle weight? I know there have been some edge cases where people argue cars as trucks to get special truck access for commercial use. Chevy HHR comes to mind with some contractors.
USA Light Truck definition: Firstly, the vehicle must have a gross vehicle weight--that's the curb weight plus payload--of no more than 8,500 lbs. Secondly, it has to be designed to transport persons, property, or be fitted with special features allowing its "off-street or off-highway operation and use".
I mean, the el Camino caught a lot of flak when I was young. I remember my "surfer/ stoner/ slacker/ loser" gen x cousin who was a pool guy used his as a work vehicle and I guarantee that guy was SMASHING with that ride. I'm not saying a cyber truck truck is on that level and but some things take time to catch on.
Can't say I agree. For example, if someone hits you with their car? It's ok to scratch it.
Edit: The downvotes on this are fucking unreal, imagine being upset that the person you just mowed over scratched your car. Fuck right off with that bullshit.
Oh my sweet summer child. Sidewalk parking is more or less legal in Germany since cars are generally placed above people. It's literally happening everywhere. My entire street is full of people being 1/3 on the sidewalk.
No it's not. You can't park your car on the sidewalk unless explicitly allowed by a sign. If you park on the sidewalk you have to pay a fine, if your car is blocking something you also get a Punkt in Flensburg.
Dude, literally every damn city residential area is like this. No one cares, especially not the Ordnungsamt who should be responsible for it, or politicians. Worst case, they just add some white paint and whoop it is legal, because fuck pedestrians.
I don't even know why you try to argue otherwise when it's literally my reality that I have to constantly squeeze myself through between cars and walls because the sidewalk is not even wide enough for two people anymore with all the cars parking on it. Like literally every single time, for decades. And the fatter the cars get each year, the worse it gets too. Even firefighters already complained about this because they often can't even drive through some streets since even the car lane itself is too narrow thanks to the cars, even if they park right against the house walls.
But hey, here's Knuschberkeks telling me that I am apparently hallucinating.
Calm down. I didn't say it's not what's happening. Yes it is happening, especially in bigger citys. Yes it is incredibly annoying. But that doesn't mean it's legal. Have you tried to do anything about it?
I said it is "more or less legal", meaning it is defacto legal because no one actually enforces it and rather makes it legal if they had to enforce it.
I don't report, because it's not anonymous. And other people who kept reporting like crazy ended up getting charged for it by the police, so I'd rather not do that. Plus it is typically the case that reports aren't getting followed up upon. Not that it would even make sense to literally report every single car all the way down the entire street anyway. I've seen Ordnungsamt people walk through it, so they very clearly know. Not that it is some secret anyway since again, it's absolutely everywhere. It's the norm. So if they wanted to enforce it, then they could just do it.
I admit I don't know a lot about this type of stuff, but there must be some (probably super involved) way to get this enforced. I mean it is written in law so there must be some way to fight it, but you'd probably have to sue the Ordnungsamt or the city some shit like that.
Cars have such a high priority in people's lives that this wouldn't help much because a court would generally rule in favor of the cars, since a lot of people are basically dependent on them, which somehow justifies having your car park in front of your house. Otherwise we'd have the consequence of having to create dedicated parking spaces everywhere in form of parking garages / houses, which would be away from where people live since the space for that is typically not existent.
But hey, you're welcome to try to create some sort of precedence in court. Maybe you can afford some very good lawyer who could pull this through and convince the judge.
In what world is a tow truck going to tow a car for parking on the side walk? They’re gonna tell you to call the cops or parking enforcement and the cops don’t even show up for gun shots
But what if the person on the other side was parked over the line and I had to leave space to get out and then they left and now I look like I parked like an asshole and then some asshole uses that as an excuse to ding my car.
I am on your side about this. I can't stand the people who need their car to be in perfect appearance and do asshole things to get it that way.
It's a fucking machine that you use to move goods and people from a to b. Not a statement, not a status symbol, not a penis enhancement. Scratches are just battle scars. My civic looks like shit and I don't care.
It is strange and striking that climate change activists have not committed any acts of terrorism. After all, terrorism is for the individual by far the modern world’s most effective form of political action, and climate change is an issue about which people feel just as strongly as about, say, animal rights. This is especially noticeable when you bear in mind the ease of things like blowing up petrol stations, or vandalising SUVs. In cities, SUVs are loathed by everyone except the people who drive them; and in a city the size of London, a few dozen people could in a short space of time make the ownership of these cars effectively impossible, just by running keys down the side of them, at a cost to the owner of several thousand pounds a time. Say fifty people vandalising four cars each every night for a month: six thousand trashed SUVs in a month and the Chelsea tractors would soon be disappearing from our streets. So why don’t these things happen?
No, it's more that people who care about climate change are good at long term thinking. There are no cuddly animals to rescue right now, so people who want instant gratification do other things.
People who are good at long term thinking commit fewer types of impulse crimes. Vandalism is an unintelligent way to get your point across. There's nothing inherently wrong with the paint job on the SUV.
I've seen ICE folks run cyclists off of roads. I don't think I've ever seen an EV or cyclist attack a shitwagon.
I dunno man, how ever you measure it I think the ice folks are more aggressive by nature, these are the same coal rolling fucks who like to pollute intentionally as a 'fuck you' to environmentalists.
Because the law drops the hammer on them BIG time.
Hell, activists use to spike old wood trees marked for clear cutting back in the day. This would cause the saw blades foresters would use to explode in their face,, in fact George Alexander, a millworker, was severely injured when a saw blade shattered after contact with a tree spike and cut his jaw in half.
Maybe environmental movements don't attract the types of people who do this stuff or maybe it's not personal it's impersonal? Big difference between being told in your childhood house of worship that you are going to happy sky place if you die for skydaddy or seeing your uncle dragged off in the night vs. seeing a PowerPoint about climate change. Or maybe it's just a number game. Environmental groups just don't have enough people to get them in the pool.
Even then, in a “lorry problem” type of scenario, it could be OK.
Like, you have a lever and there’s a fascist con-man polluting the world with bad ideas and products, and you could either do nothing or use the lever to go to town on one of those products to send a message to his supporters, I know what I would do
You know, I agree. But also, you can't imagine how much I want to scratch the cars that just park illegally in my neighborhood. They park on the curves and crossings and in such small distances that I literally cannot pass through with my stroller without scratching them. So I end up going around the block(s) further and further away just to pass through some gap of illegally parked cars that's just big enough if I am very careful. But then I end up thinking, wtf. Why do I have to be careful to not scratch their wrongfully parked cars, a private property that they left outside on a place designed and protected by law to be solely for pedestrians, with my private property that should be able to walk this road? And also, why do I not get the same protection if I want to park my bike or stroller outside? Because no one cares if my private property is damaged when it is left outside. If I scratch my stroller on an illegally parked car when I cross the road at the place I am supposed to be crossing somehow I am the one who has to pay damages.
People being assholes over it is dumb, but I can't say I would want one. I saw one recently at my local grocery store and I couldn't stop thinking how poorly built it looked. It just seemed like the fit and finish of the body panels was kinda bad. I got an overall feeling like it was something put together by a couple of teenagers in metal shop.
I think it's because it costs an obscene amount while being something only a moron would buy. So when someone who is struggling to make ends meet sees that an absolute moron has so much cash that they can blow it on something this dumb, they get angry. It's not fair that they work hard just to make ends meet while some failson has $100k to blow on a dumb car. At least a Maserati, Porsche, or Ferrari of similar price looks cool.
Isn't that the goal of owning a machine like that? You are trying to provoke a reaction. The car I own was the single most commonly sold sedan the year it was made. I don't want people reacting to me, noticing me, etc. I want to be another person in the crowd.
If you take a shit in front of a camera you can't really be upset that people are commenting on it.
I don’t think it’s the car per se that angers people but the idiocy of lemmings who are destroying the world by supporting people like Trump and Musk and Nick Fuentes.
And by buying a Tesla car, that’s what you do, you enable Elon Musk to keep on destroying the world.
Have you tried quitting to the menu and turning up texture detail? Looks like it might be something to do with anti-aliasing. Hopefully will be patched in the next update.
Also the fact that its a waste of resources, the ones here in California are already rusting up worse than some cars that have been sitting since the mid 90s. Seriously I see one over by Joshua tree (technically morango valley) sometimes and over the last month the rust has been creeping up its side. I suspect ones in places like Maine will be rust stains sooner rather than later.
My boss just got this truck. Aside from it being severely over priced it's actually very well built and super practical and usable for light and medium light duty. Even some short distance towing.
Although for most people that can afford this thing I doubt there will be any kind of duty being performed by this truck at all.
The "very well built" comment also is a peculiar statement.
There's only 3800 of these delivered so far and there's literally hundreds of posts, pictures and videos of these abominations online showing the shoddy assembly and a flurry of technical issues.
I once saw a video of a guy crucifying a Toyota Camry. Conversely Ford has the most number of recalls for 2023.
German luxury cars blow out their turbos at 40k miles and are so over engineered that most mechanics don't even want to work on them.
And Chrysler products are pure shit.
I'm pretty sure at this point people just like trashing Tesla just because it's popular.
It's a decent truck... If you just want to hate it because you feel superior juxtaposed to your inability to afford one then I suggest finding a job that will allow you to purchase extravagant things.
You are hilariously wrong on both counts, but do go on about this ludicrous, overpriced, poorly designed piece of shit being practical.
Tesla did show a lot of promise at first, but Musk has been running it into the ground trying to chase short term profits - it's objectively harmful to the company and their employees.
I think you're just defending it blindly because you're another ridiculous Musk fanboy, it is an objectively shitty truck. You can disagree and argue all you want, but that doesn't change anything - the truck is still an overpriced piece of shit.
I have sat in driven and looked at the Cyber truck. I actually have real world objective observation of this car and I can tell you from first-hand experience that it is practical, well made and well designed.
What you are experiencing is subjective emotional responses probably tainted by whatever media you lurk around in.
I'm not arguing with you. I'm not disagreeing with you. I am telling you my experience and interpretation of the car, you are disagreeing with those statements and that is perfectly fine. It's your right not to like it even if you are dead wrong.
I also really like your ad hominem attack on me for being a Musk Fanboy (which I am not). Really sets you apart from the bandwagon.
But do go on blindly pointlessly hating something you know nothing about.
Yeah it's funny the hate they get on here, every single person I know that's been in a tesla on FSD has said it'd brilliant, there are endless videos of people in love with their cybertrucks that show in detail why they like it. But no, 'i saw one go past and could just tell it was low quality'
Personally it's not for me, it's too big and intense even if I could afford it, it's not a disaster though and if people like it then it's good because they're the people that'd probably have a massive ICE truck instead. I honestly think the people hating on it are reaching into cope territory, scratching them because they're desperate to make them fail like they predicted.
It's just another product on the market, people should hype up good alternatives and help them grow if they want to 'fight elon'
He knew the truck would be an eye-catcher in Maine. But he wanted it for its uniqueness.
“It’s so ugly it’s cute. It’s like a French bulldog,” he said. “I don’t think it’s the most attractive car in the world, but it’s different. And I like to be different.”
Thinking someone is a douche and actively damaging their car are two completely different things. Not cool to damage property like that, just point and laugh or loudly exclaim how that is the ugliest looking car you’ve ever seen and you pity whoever thought it was a good idea to buy one.
I saw one in person finally a few weeks ago and just started laughing; it’s even uglier in person! But I wouldn’t intentionally try to damage someone else’s vehicle; that’s even more ridiculous.
To me, minivans are probably the most sensible vehicles out there. Does it comfortably seat 5 to 8 people? Yes. Does it offer lots of space for anything you need to haul from A to B? Yes. Does it have a footprint and gas consumption similar to a regular sedan? Yes.
Investing in a license plate from Maine that just says "Event" and driving around at low speeds while smoothly sliding on and taking off my sunglasses was also probably not helpful.
