Yeah, for some reason too many people are having difficulty understanding that in this case, yes, the both side argument works quite well. Both Hamas and the Israeli government are horrible with the citizens on both side suffering
Definitely agree. Although I will add that Israel has likely played a large part in radicalizing many members of Hamas and their actions in Palestine have dwarfed the initial Hamas attack, no atrocity should go unpunished.
It's worth clarifying that the Palestinian civilians are not Hamas though. It's also misleading to say they elected them democratically, as the median Palestinian was a literal infant when the last election happened, and nearly half weren't even born.
Oh man, I just love it how you guys downvote these propaganda faschists into oblivion. They think Lemmy is like FB, where they can get together and push their BS onto us, distracting from the real problem that they try to hide.
From the FT story about this, it appears the Israeli far right is going to respond with more repression:
Israel’s far-right finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, on Wednesday wrote to Netanyahu, demanding “punitive steps” be against the Palestinian Authority in response to the European decisions and other Palestinian moves on the international stage, including seeking action against the Jewish state by the ICC.
Smotrich called for a series of measures including a major expansion of Jewish settlement construction in the occupied West Bank, the establishment of a new settlement for every country that recognises Palestinian statehood, and the freezing of Israeli tax transfers to the PA.
Israel has allowed suitcases holding millions in Qatari cash to enter Gaza through its crossings since 2018
I'm sure bibi did that out of the spirit of charity.
Look, as far as I can tell, Israel created a monster, then lost control of the monster. The monster has since found other sources of support. In trying to perform ethnic cleansing and forced land transfers over the last 80ish years, they have also been monstrous. There is wicked evil on both sides of this pointless genocidal war. Stop plugging your ears to the parts that make the people you happen to already agree with look bad.
Oh nooo, did someone open their fucking mouth about shit they don't know about and are about to get dunked on?
"Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu defended Israel's regular allowing of Qatari funds to be transferred into Gaza, saying it is part of a broader strategy to keep Hamas and the Palestinian Authority separate, a source in Monday's Likud faction meeting said," the Post reported.
Netanyahu's current finance minister, West Bank settler Belazel Smotrich, explained the approach to Israel's Knesset channel in 2015: "Hamas is an asset, and (Palestinian Authority leader) Abu Mazen (Mahmoud Abbas) is a burden."
"Both Egypt and Qatar are angry with Hamas and planned to cut ties with them. Suddenly Netanyahu appears as the defender of Hamas," the right-wing leader complained.
A year later, Netanyahu was further embarrassed when photos of suitcases full of cash going to Hamas became public. Liberman finally resigned in protest over Netanyahu's Hamas policy which, he said, marked "the first time Israel is funding terrorism against itself."
Man you are talking about whitewashing as you actively try to shift blame from the inceptor and then try and say your talking about facts.
Fact of the matter is that palastinian terrorism is caused by Israel. Both their genocidal and apartheid ends and directly through funding of groups like Hamas early in their years to promote harsh measures to continue their genocide and apartheid ends.
"Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu defended Israel's regular allowing of Qatari funds to be transferred into Gaza, saying it is part of a broader strategy to keep Hamas and the Palestinian Authority separate, a source in Monday's Likud faction meeting said," the Post reported.
But nah. You wanna deflect facts and focus on Qatar like everyone doesn't already know that. This information is ment to be taken in conjunction but your so far up your own ass you see it as an argument and whitewashing.
You want facts? Facts say Israel funded Hamas. Nurtured it and kept it on the edge of scary to propagandize it's civilian population. Then it bit them in the ass on Oct 7th.
If your first thought about hamas isn't how Israel as a state purposely created and maintained it then it's you who isn't operating on facts.
Your still a joke and we still joking. See if your going to be a pedant, you have to be correct about shit. If your a stubborn incorrect pedant than correcting some Grammer is just silly. But you is a silly person. Couldn't care less about the conversation anymore, you just wanna save face.
On the Internet you wanna save face after getting d u n k e d.
I am sorry, I didn't realize I was incorrect that Qatar and Iran are funding Hamas. I think you started the baby talk a little too early to convince me otherwise.
Your goo goo gaga speak is adorable though. I have no doubt you will find somebody who has that for a kink.
Do you actually understand what you are posting yourself? Qatar funded Hamas under an agreement with Bibi which enabled Bibis strategy and Qatars own political goals. Did Israel fund Hamas in those years? No. Did Israel actively guarantee that Qatar funds Hamas? Yes.
Man walks in here waving his post around like I GOT HIM, I GOT HIM SO GOOD as he points out the content of the article like i don't know what it says. Nah dude. I know what it says, I call that funding. You would too if your head was so far up your own ass.
*Forgot the fact that Hamas has literal tons of fuel being used for their war crimes (yes shooting rockets against civilian cities without a clear threatening target is a war crime)
Israel bringing in fuel will be used for rockets and war. Why should they. The only reasonable way for fuel to be actually used for hospitals is if the UN or some other natural party escorts that fuel, preventing Hamas terrorists from stealing it.
A) is it the responsibility of a foreign neighbor or the running government to handle an emergency situation? By the way, the running government is Hamas.
B) how exactly would Israel give those hospitals fuel? They'll drive down gaza boulevard with a fuel truck and just give it to the hospital? Without kidnapped drivers and stolen fuel by Hamas?
Even if they did manage a way for the fuel to reach the hospital - Hamas is governing Gaza, and will steal (at least some) of that fuel to fund their war against Israel. Hence Israel has 0 incentive or responsibility to give fuel when it'll come around to bite them in the ass when it'll be used to power rockets.
People’s take on this stuff always seems so naive to me. All war ever can be viewed as an attempt to arrest the leader of another group for “crimes”. When you get arrested… that means you lost the war. Winning a war means you didn’t get arrested.
The ICC is such a silly stupid waste of human attention. It’s like an idea that children came up with after watching Star Trek. It has no utility whatsoever for our species. We fight, we have winners and losers. If you start a fight with somebody stronger than you, you are gonna have a bad time. If you start a fight with someone weaker than you, others will think you are dishonorable. That doesn’t mean you get arrested.
ICC signatories have to arrest anyone with a warrant against them if they visit that country. That severely limits the number of state visits Netanyahu and others with warrants against them can make. That's not a minor thing. Big deals are made during state visits.
Anybody who tries to arrest him will be at war with Israel and probably the US and probably a lot of other nations. They will break their treaty with ICC before they start that war and everyone fucking knows it. Why do we pretend?
This interpretation is a vague apologia for war crimes. This line of thinking means the Nuremberg Trials were a complete waste of time and the Nazis should not be held accountable.
Yeah you have no idea what the ICC is or what it does, nor what this warrant implies. You really believe that the ICC has done nothing? You should do some reading.
This warrant won't go away and the countries that this guy can still visit with this warrant will b extremely limited. This also puts much more pressure on Israel as he is now officially lumped in with other convicted war criminals. This is a good thing (tm)
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“Without the final report, I don’t think the vessel is going anywhere” far from Baltimore, Duan said.`
In the meantime, he hopes nonessential crew members will be allowed to get off the ship and stay temporarily on dry land to “ease their mental stress.”
They could literally be stuck living on an immobile cargo ship for 2 years. That's insane.
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