Can't speak for Australians, but as a Canadian who expects that the same could happen here - why the fuck are our governments so apathetic about this shit?.
Stand up for the people trusting you. Be MAD. Stop doing it if you're also doing it.
In the UK there was a peaceful protester and the Chinese dragged him into the embassy grounds and beat him in front of the public. They have diplomatic immunity.
Nothing was done obviously.
No wonder China and Russia shit over us and act like we are weak. We are. We proved it multiple times.
Yeah, it's not like western governments, "intelligence" agencies or police would ever beat protesters, persecute political dissidents, murder civilians, torture suspects in designated black sites, ally with dictatorships who torture and murder journalists with bone saws, overthrow democratically elected governments, or engage in any behavior that is horrifically anti-democratic or anti-human rights.
That time when the west was historically great was a lie. We were only better than fascism or communism, but our ruling class, the politicians they own, and their corporations have always engaged in horrific shit. Ours just hide behind the media and a liability shield of a dozen LLC's, or do it hidden behind closed doors — unless you're a palestinian, protester, communist, or a dozen other groups who are okay to oppress publicly at any given time.
It would be Whataboutism if I defended the accusations against China or Russia. I explicitly said we were better — just only better than the bottom of the barrel — and the whole point of my comment was to refute the right-wing nationalist fantasy that we were historically "strong", "great" or "righteous"; a time that never existed in reality.
I suggest you learn what maketh a logical fallacy.
The name's origin came from the propaganda Molotov produced during the Winter War, mainly his declaration on Soviet state radio that incendiary bombing missions over Finland were actually "airborne humanitarian food deliveries" for their "starving" neighbours.[13][10][better source needed] As a result, the Finns sarcastically dubbed the Soviet incendiary cluster bombs "Molotov bread baskets" (Finnish: Molotovin leipäkori) in reference to Molotov's propaganda broadcasts.[14][10] When the hand-held bottle firebomb was developed to attack and destroy Soviet tanks, the Finns called it the "Molotov cocktail", as "a drink to go with his food parcels".[15][16]
The why is really really simple. The actions taken in result have the potential to cause more harm than help. Tariffs don't work, censureship is useless, and war is... yeah. They can get up on stage and shout about how angry they are but it means fuck all. The important part is how WE deal with it. Legislature starts from the grass roots level, political activism and engagement can help make new laws that expressly do not allow extradition by the CCP and other adversarial nations, or in any way allow an arm of the CCP to search for or request information on any individuals.
Say what you will about conspiracy nuts, but the idea of a world government is very very real and has been for a long time. It’s always been about the money.
Edit: Yall can downvote brigade me until the cows come home and you're blue in the face (not to mention multi-account abuse for downvoting being arguably worse on a fedinet instance) - the fact is, the chinese have mini-govt buildings setup all around the world. This case isn't the first, nor will it be the last. Mald harder.
Among the myriad ways to tell that there is no world government... if there was a single world government, money would be irrelevant to situations like this - there would be no issue to smooth over because no-one's sovereignty would have been violated.
It's far from the truth to assume there's one cohesive government entity that collaborates and communicates well enough to do something like this, and to assume not a single person associated has decided to be a whistle blower.
It's not really worth it for me to go back and scour the thread but they definitely came off to me as trolling by repeatedly stating "you're the same commenter tho!" Even though that made no sense in context
It made complete sense, since I also understood the other guy's comment as saying he is not the same commenter due to his phrasing. And the NurseRobot guy only said it twice, the 2nd time due to the other guy refusing to elaborate his confusing phrasing and accusing others of using alts for some reason. Can you explain how repeating a statement one time due to confusion counts as trolling?
And yet, it's somehow not pointless for you to accuse someone else of trolling and being a jerk without being able to point out any specific event that actually happened?
Why would I? I'm not the one continuously engaging in a conversation I declared worthless a few replies ago. Why don't you man up and stop trying to get the last word in and just disengage.
Nah. I'm just surprised that you're still engaging. It's not good for your health, dude. When I find myself arguing with idiots, I put down my phone and go do something else. I find it's much better.
Not at all, some concepts are harder for some. Some grow up in environments that make learning ugly, alienating, etc. I do want to ask - would you catch flies better with vinegar or with honey? Or are you more interested in squashing?
why is everyone so retarded about this? there are ACTUAL ATTEMPTS AT WORLD GOVERNMENT - the UN for example - and there are actual think tanks publishing actual documents with this as the goal, publicly available, which are funded by government, yet people just start screeching whenever it gets brought up. You guys do realize it's possible to actually know stuff, right? fuck.
Yes, there is strong evidence for these practices. Safeguard Defenders, a rights group, published a comprehensive reports on that issues, for example on China's Consular Volunteers (November 2023):
For at least a decade, PRC Embassies and Consulates have been running consular volunteers in countries around the world. These have been seemingly undeclared to most host nations.
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The network runs through United Front-linked associations and individuals and shows the involvement of the Overseas Chinese Affairs Office (OCAO), on which a January 2022 Federal Canadian Court decision upheld labeling as an entity that engages in espionage and acts contrary to Canada’s interests with concerns over “OCAO’s interactions with the overseas Chinese communities, the information gathered, and the intended use of the gathered information”.
The South China Morning Post said a man claiming to be a former Chinese spy was lying without providing any evidence? Well that's good enough for me, thanks for busting this myth with all this evidence!
That link doesn't work; I'll assume it says that he was denied asylum because he committed fraud against an Australian citizen. This doesn't really provide evidence that his claims of being a spy are false, only that he committed fraud in Australia. It's definitely a point against his character, but not evidence that he lied about being a spy.
Since you aren't interested in being skeptical of your sources and jumped on the first thing that seemed to match the narrative you were pushing I found some evidence for you. Oddly enough there's an entire Wikipedia article about him that goes into pretty significant detail about why his claims of being a high level spy are probably false.
It's odd that you didn't see the Wikipedia article, I'm sure you have access to Wikipedia in your country don't you?
I didn't link Wikipedia because people like you tend to jump on links to Wikipedia with big brain takes about how the article is probably controlled by whoever their boogeyman is.
Both the articles I linked, SCMP which you dismissed because it has China in its name and Daily Telegraph are from the Wikipedia article references if you care to look.
There is nothing to be skeptical about in terms of my sources. There is at this point no credible evidence he was the high level Chinese defecting spy he was presented as initially (just like they're presenting this one). At this point, it would be incumbent on anyone claiming he is a high level defecting spy to prove it, because even the Australians realized they were had and gave up on suggesting that. Or maybe not so much had as no longer useful for their purpose of pushing a narrative.
Shanghai Daily columnist Andy Boreham pointed out... "the area they claim the incident happened is within China's EEZ... Innocent passage is allowed but military aircraft do NOT constitute 'innocent passage"
Kind of like the many Chinese military incursions in the airspace of the Taiwanese EEZ, eh Andy?
Incident occurred thousands of kilometers from the Australian mainland in the Yellow Sea. It's important to note here that the entire Yellow Sea falls under either China, South Korea, or North Korea's EEZ, although most of it falls under no country's ADIZ because of how the countries bordering the Yellow Sea have negotiated airspace rules.
Australia is getting their panties in a twist. They're fucking flares, a standard component of intercepts when veering near sovereign airspace.
The author here uses ""international waters"" to denote an area the Chinese haven't claimed yet but surely will claim as its own territory someday soon.
Seriously, fuck these imperialist shit-hole countries.
Russia and China always do this shit, it's going to be very problematic when one of their poorly trained pilots screws up and kills a bunch of people and themselves.
Is this China bullying in international waters or are they supporting North Korea against UN Security Council sanctions which Members unanimously voted for?
If NK is still shipping munitions to Russia then this could be China helping Russia while pretending it is about water territorial rights.
Member state.. authorized to:
Inspect North Korea cargo on land, air, and sea, if the state has reason to believe that it contains prohibited items and seize any prohibited materials or technologies
Asked about the incident at the daily Chinese foreign ministry press conference, spokesperson Lin Jian said: "What truly happened was, an Australian military aircraft deliberately flew within close range of China's airspace in a provocative move that endangered China's maritime and air security in the name of enforcing UN Security Council resolutions."
In my quote the claim was that Australia was there enforcing the UN resolution. That resolution was made a long time ago, well before China took sides in the Ukraine war. Too late to veto the resolution now.
PS Admittedly my quote is not from a credible source. I haven't time to test its veracity.
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