UltraGiGaGigantic ,

In response to that Pyongyang announced early this week that it will be sending troops in the form of a military engineering unit to support Russian forces on the ground in the Donetsk region. The troops are expected to arrive on the battlefield as soon as next month.

One engineering unit isn't much, but perhaps there is more to come. It didn't say anything in the article about future commitments.

Ilya Ponomarev, a former Russian member of parliament told the UK’s Daily Express that North Korea has become an important bridge between the Kremlin and China. Beijing can indirectly transfer military equipment to Moscow through Pyongyang without falling foul of Western sanctions.

As he explained: “North Korea is one of key Russian partners and the meaning of the rationale behind them becoming such a partner is because they are acting as a bridge between China and Russia.

“Essentially all the military equipment that is delivered from North Korea was developed for the North Koreans by the Chinese.

Perhaps this is less about North Korea then it appears on the surface. I wonder what Russia is giving China for this help?

UncleBilly ,

Sometime back kim was crying so that women make more babies, now he is sending men to his friend. And we know the mortality rate of North Korea. I have never seen a country run out of people, I think I will see it soon

bamfic ,

Pyongangbang

wabafee ,
@wabafee@lemmy.world avatar

Ain't this a good thing the more fudder sent to the front lines the high chance NK will have less capable soldiers in their country. Unless people being sent to front lines were potential issues in NK. I bet US intelligence would be interested on seeing how NK soldiers operates in actual combat.

snailfact ,

can we get 1 like for the brave soldiers

phoenixz ,

So does that mean that NATO can also start deploying troops there? I mean, so far we've kept out to not escalate this, but if actual foreign troops will set foot on that front line, you can only wait so long for the other side to do the same...

FiniteBanjo ,

No, because Ukraine is not a NATO member because they cannot join while already at war. If the USA got involved directly then the international community in the UN and even NATO itself would have mixed responses, perhaps even leading to NATO withdrawals and economic sanctions.

However, the USA have started allowing private mercenary companies to participate directly in the conflict, and they've had indirect support specialists from the US Military in the region for a long time.

intensely_human ,

Every picture of Putin and Kim together just looks like an adult tricking a kid.

Happywop ,

So did I hear that the US is considering letting "contractors" take Ukrainian contracts? Blackrock would ruin these morons!

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

So did I hear that the US is considering letting “contractors” take Ukrainian contracts?

The US has been sending "advisers" into Ukraine since the war began. And we've had intelligence officers in this country for decades.

Blackrock would ruin these morons!

Mercenaries and auxiliaries are useless and dangerous; and if one holds his state based on these arms, he will stand neither firm nor safe; for they are disunited, ambitious, and without discipline, unfaithful, valiant before friends, cowardly before enemies; they have neither the fear of God nor fidelity to men, and destruction is deferred only so long as the attack is; for in peace one is robbed by them, and in war by the enemy. The fact is, they have no other attraction or reason for keeping the field than a trifle of stipend, which is not sufficient to make them willing to die for you.

chumbalumber ,

Someone read the prince :P

Maggoty ,

Fuck mercenaries. Time for some good old sheep dipping.

DontMakeMoreBabies ,

We'll get to see US weapons killing North Koreans AND Russians? Is this Christmas?

kaffiene ,

That's gross.

2ncs ,

You realize these are real people, war is so sad and you are comparing it to Christmas :(

vaultdweller013 ,
@vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works avatar

We aint the ones sending them to their deaths, its a waste of human life but one we cant do jackshit about without escalating which most folks dont want. So that leaves us with only a handful of options all with the same end result, fuck all. Id rather laugh than feel sick to the stomach with rage.

Fidel_Cashflow ,
@Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml avatar

Psst, your mask is slipping

Hunter_for_hunteR ,

Hahah same with my cum all over the flying squid daughter' ass

Maggoty ,

Who let NonCredibleDefense out of their cage? Goddamnit now we need a clean up crew.

Eww ,

Curious how many will defect once outside North Korea.

EatATaco ,

According to hexbear you would have to have some deranged lib mind to believe any would want to.

Eww ,
sunbeam60 ,

Server blocking hexbear is the only way to stay sane on Lemmy.

sparky ,
@sparky@lemmy.federate.cc avatar

We defederated them a while ago over here. Along with some right wing instances too. The extremists from either side of the political spectrum really spoil the experience.

n3m37h ,

Look @ the tankie!

/s

sunbeam60 ,

Maybe on account of the communities I subscribe to, but I’ve personally not come across right wing extremism on Lemmy. The tankies, though … so prevalent. Anyways, by server blocking hexbear it’s reduced by 90%.

barsquid ,

They sure do love authoritarianism more than they like leftism.

ssj2marx , (edited )

Most of the ones that do end up regretting it /shrug

This is wrong - it's not that they end up regretting it so much as most of them never want to go to South Korea in the first place.

EatATaco ,

I'm sure you'll be able to provide me with a sound study confirming this.

absentbird ,
@absentbird@lemm.ee avatar

About 18% of North Korean defectors regret it.

The number one reason is wanting to see family and friends who are still trapped in North Korea.

ssj2marx ,

The 18% figure is a biased sample from an anti-DPRK NGO. More comprehensive research into North Korean defectors by Cho Cheon-hyeon for his book Defectors indicate that most North Korean defectors simply want to make money in China, with only about 40% of defectors wanting to go to South Korea.

So I did misremember, but my point still stands on the fact that most of them don't want to defect to South Korea, even before taking into account that even at their 2009 peak defectors were a tiny fraction of a percent of North Korea's population and the existence of them in no way implicates all of North Korean society in secretly wanting to escape.

absentbird ,
@absentbird@lemm.ee avatar

If so few people want to leave, why are so many resources directed into preventing people from leaving? I can't think of any other country that works so hard to keep their citizens from escaping. Usually the largest barrier to leaving a country is the policies of the country you're entering.

blackn1ght ,

The fact they're called defectors says it all. Anywhere else they'd be called emigrants.

blackn1ght ,

That last statement is meaningless given the crazy levels of security they have on keeping people in. If they took away all the restrictions on leaving then the numbers would go through the roof.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

About 18% of North Korean defectors regret it.

Around 20% of defectors have considered returning to North Korea. But that has less to do with the appeal of the North than the poor treatment of expats in the South.

The South Korean immigration and labor laws make finding work south of the border incredibly difficult. North Korean expats are confined to menial service sector and grueling industrial work while being largely cut out of South Korean social life due to heavy stigmas against them. Its an incredibly hard life and not remotely like the glamorous existence of social elites that Americans claim drive the periodic defections.

intensely_human ,

They need access to a better place. I suppose they just get financially stuck in S Korea? Or do the move on to other countries too, more willing to give them a chance?

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

North Korean expats are functionally stateless, so it is very difficult to leave South Korea even when they do have money.

The largest portion of the Korean diaspora live in China and Russia.

explore_broaden ,

Why don’t we have a law for North Korea like the Cuban Adjustment Act that allows anyone who makes it out of the country to quickly become a permanent resident, without regard for how they got out of their country. The situation seems fairly similar, where encouraging more defectors makes the target country look bad, and it can deprive them of workers.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Because South Koreans don't have ambitions of building up a large militant ex-pat community to try a Bay of Pigs on Pyongyang.

someacnt_ ,

Who's 'we' here?

explore_broaden ,

I suppose the US, but it would probably have to involve us paying for moving them to the US from South Korea. Otherwise South Korea could have such a program so that they can become residents with actual rights (or maybe they already do).

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

NKers are simultaneously brainwashed morons who follow their leader with fanatical delusion and utterly naive children who can be lured to defection by a few pieces of candy and a charming smile.

The hexbears are too stupid to realize that all Koreans yearn for the unlimited freedom of their Southern neighbors and yet too wicked to believe the unvarnished truths of such media luminaries as Yeomni Park. They should all be sent to North Korea to eat grass and toil in the mines and get beaten to a pulp by Kim's totalitarian police, then repatriated so that they can apologize for their ignorant beliefs.

barsquid ,

Those children are completely delusional. I saw a thread about why the entire country is unlit at night which was a parody of itself. I wonder what their demographics are, if not 100% bots.

BobGnarley ,

Surprisingly a lot of them on the Lemmy communities are also trans.

I'm not sure they're aware how LGBT people are treated in those countries. Either that or just willful ignorance I guess

JohnEdwa ,
@JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz avatar

Very few, as North Korea hand picks everyone who gets to leave by essentially keeping their entire family hostage, and any "traitor family" will find them sentenced to life in prison/labour camp - including any children born in those camps.

And they are places you wouldn't wish for anyone to end up in, especially your loved ones.

UltraGiGaGigantic ,

You haven't met my family.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Not a single one of those support troops has any combat experience.

So good luck, guys.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

North Korea has had surprisingly close ties with various African states going back to the Cold War and NK mercenaries have served in Syria, Uganda, Zimbabwe, Zanzibar, and South Africa in the relatively recent past.

NKers also have an active role in state-sanctioned smuggling and piracy. I think you'd be surprised how much combat experience they've accrued.

Jimmyeatsausage ,

And they'll still be the most experienced combat troops Putin can field. At least they get lots of practice marching up and down the square.

NoSpiritAnimal ,
@NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world avatar

News in 30 days: Digestive Parasites are up 70,000% in Eastern Ukraine.

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  • Atomic ,

    Why would you possibly think it's good news for Ukraine?

    Ulfhethnar ,

    It is not yet, but NK is already supplying the artillery which is much more valuable than men to Russia and Korea will surely respond by suppling Ukraine.

    Valmond ,

    Funny thing is the eventual survivor won't be brought back to NK after having seen the lavish lifes the russians live...

    Duamerthrax , (edited )

    Or the lavish living conditions of a Ukraine POW cell.

    egeres ,
    @egeres@lemmy.world avatar

    Does north korea have actually good military power? I've seen their parades here and there, but does anyone know if they have updated equipment, trained military personnel, good intelligence, etc?

    Aux ,

    Military is the only thing they have. It might not be the most modern, but they have more artilery shells than any other country. Other stockpiles are huge AF as well. Almost 4% of their population are in active military service and 2% more are reservists. In terms of head count, they have almost as many active personel as Russia while having a fraction of population. Plenty of disposable meat!

    Woht24 ,

    It's all smoke and mirrors, the majority of their stockpiles would be bordering on defunct. Modern equipment they have is far and few between, their training is subpar.

    Plenty of disposable meat is certainly correct though!

    TankovayaDiviziya ,

    You may be right. We just saw how Russia performed in the war in Ukraine despite the prior years of flexing lol. It's not impossible to believe that the North Korean military is the same.

    Shard ,

    Agreed that they have a pretty big military in terms of raw numbers. I'm not going to discuss quality because the biggest question mark here is force projection.

    How are they planning on sending over any significant manpower and supplies across 2800km?

    They don't even have a navy capable of circumnavigating the korean peninsula, much less make the trip to Ukraine or the wrong side of Russia.

    They have 2 transport aircraft, the bigger of the 2 has a max passenger capacity of 44 pax. Neither of those have the range to get near Ukraine when flying fully fueled, nevermind if it were fully loaded.

    ammonium , (edited )

    How are they planning on sending over any significant manpower and supplies across 2800km?

    Rail? They border Russia and there's a railroad over the border

    egeres , (edited )
    @egeres@lemmy.world avatar

    I didn't know this, damn, that's moving a lot of troops across a length of ~8.000 km in rail

    olafurp ,

    Kim Jong Un has a pretty cool train also to use the rail

    bluewing ,

    There is rail and I'm pretty sure Russia still has plenty of cargo/transport planes that would be capable.

    YeetPics ,
    @YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

    Lmao

    olafurp ,

    They have massive amount of soldiers and are good and making artillery and missiles. It is a big black box however since they haven't been engaged in a conflict recently so all their troops lack experience.

    Their economy is practically built for conflict so it shouldn't be taken lightly.

    egeres ,
    @egeres@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah, I don't think numbers is everything, lacking experience or leadership can tip the balance against you in a blink

    olafurp ,

    Yeah, I have a feeling that they will have very low morale because of lack of motivating factors. Desertion might also become a massive problem since this is one of the few ways to get out of the DPRK.

    phoenixz ,

    Few will desert as their families back home will pay the price for that.

    SuspiciousCatThing ,

    True, but we've already seen from Russia what sheer numbers can do, even under-equipped and untrained.

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    It is a big black box however since they haven’t been engaged in a conflict recently so all their troops lack experience.

    They've been deployed to Syria since at least 2019 and assisted Hezbollah in its tunnel networks going back decades.

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