Self-Driving Tesla Nearly Hits Oncoming Train, Raises New Concern On Car's Safety ( lemmy.zip )

Craig Doty II, a Tesla owner, narrowly avoided a collision after his vehicle, in Full Self-Driving (FSD) mode, allegedly steered towards an oncoming train.

Nighttime dashcam footage from earlier this month in Ohio captured the harrowing scene: Doty's Tesla rapidly approaching a train with no apparent deceleration. He insisted his Tesla was in Full Self-Driving mode when it barreled towards the train crossing without slowing down.

Scolding7300 ,

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Neato ,
@Neato@ttrpg.network avatar

So not even turning towards an intersection with a train or anything complicated. Tesla can't even tell there's a 12" steel wall in front of it. Fucking pathetic.

rsuri ,

How would it though? It probably didn't have any images like this in the train-ing data.

bladerunnerspider ,

I guess some sort of radar could identify solid objects in nearly any condition... Hmm..

Thorny_Insight , (edited )

The new models with hardware 4 (atleast models S and X) have a radar but then again humans can manage without so I have no doubt that a vision-based system will be more than sufficient in the end.

SaltySalamander ,
@SaltySalamander@fedia.io avatar

Yea...that driver is a complete and utter moron who needs his license revoked.

ShittyBeatlesFCPres ,

If self-driving A.I. models need a workforce to help identify trains, we could probably assemble an army of toddlers willing to be paid in cookies. My friend’s kid gets HYPE and yells “TRAIN!” when he sees one. He can also reliably identify cows. He calls most construction equipment “big truck” but that might be good enough. If a Tesla thinks a backhoe is a big truck, it’ll avoid it.

QuarterSwede ,
@QuarterSwede@lemmy.world avatar

And that’s the biggest issue so far with “AI.” It’s about as intelligent as a newborn.

Thorny_Insight ,

It’s about as intelligent as a newborn.

Newborns can't even utter one cohesive word. I don't get the point of making such an obviously false claims about anything.

ealoe ,

A wise Jedi once said, "The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"

Thorny_Insight ,

Intelligence is not binary, but a spectrum.

assassin_aragorn ,

No, newborns rapidly take in new information and learn. "AI" is just a sophisticated text probability model. It doesn't know anything. It isn't learning how things work. It just regurgitates.

It's like the difference between a student who understands the concepts versus memorizes the test answers.

QuarterSwede ,
@QuarterSwede@lemmy.world avatar

Ohhh I like that one.

tektite ,

Please select all images containing TRAIN

littlewonder ,

Autistic kid dream job.

karrbs ,
@karrbs@kbin.social avatar

If he had time to notice it not slowing down he had time to brake and take it out of full self driving. I understand as someone who is sceptical about the fsd mode that I am more proactive at taking over than those who trust it a little bit more. I just feel if a company tells you to supervise it you should supervise it.

I still find fsd to be very finicky and vastly oversold

assembly ,

If something is sold as fully self driving, I would like to think it should be capable of fully self driving and not a feature that will drive me face first into a train.

halcyoncmdr ,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

Regardless of the naming, because everyone gets so stuck on fucking names and seems to ignore everything else because that makes for a quick comment with a ton of votes and feel good bullshit.

It is sold as a work in progress piece of software that is constantly being updated and still needs to be supervised. It has a ton of warnings about it's capabilities, and lack thereof when activating it. There is no question when actually setting up FSD in the vehicle that it is something still in testing and not to be treated as a full replacement for paying attention. It constantly watches you and will warn you if you aren't paying active attention for too long. If you ignore those warnings enough it will deactivate itself, forcing you to drive, and with enough deactivation will remove the capability entirely.

Image of the activation screen.

Image of the free trial page for those that have not purchased it, thereby avoiding notes on the standard sales pages

They've even updated the setting in the vehicle to be more specific, showing it as "Full Self-Driving (Supervised)"...
https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-2CB60804-9CEA-4F4B-8B04-09B991368DC5.html

All of these reported situations are from people actively ignoring numerous safety and attention warnings, yet no one seems to ever put any blame on the driver in comments or articles. It's always about blaming everything on Tesla when they're actively telling every driver that it needs to be supervised because it will make mistakes.

Shrank7242 ,

Well said and thanks for posting the examples. It's something that bothers me about any social media kind of site. Especially here on Lemmy. Nobody gives a damn about the incredible amount of negligence the drivers must have. It immediately becomes an anti Elon circlejerk every time.

It's similar with news articles, which this post doesn't even link to, most of the articles name drop Tesla or Elon just because otherwise it's not a story. "Somebody hit a car / person / train because they weren't paying attention to the road" isn't story worthy. But as soon as doubt can be cast on an Elon company, it become a must post thing. I can't stand Musks antics either, but he gets too much free rent in peoples mind. It's wild

/rant

baru ,

At the same time, there's too many people who say that Full Self Driving obviously doesn't mean that the vehicle still fully drive itself. Though for unknown reasons it is totally fine to keep using the name Full Self Driving.

Thorny_Insight ,

It's called Full Self Driving (Supervised) nowdays. They changed the name.

The vehicle is capable of driving you to the grocery store on the other side of the city and back, sometimes with zero interventions from the driver. If that's not Full Self Driving then I don't know what is.

AmidFuror ,

It's like how they changed the cybertruck windows to Unbreakable Glass (Fragile).

Thorny_Insight ,

I can't find any source for that claim

icy_mal ,

That's Full Self Driving (Sometimes).

Thorny_Insight ,

Then what is full self driving to you? How good does the system need to be to qualify?

dream_weasel ,

And that is between Tesla and the NTSB to sort even though I agree. The car itself doesn't mince words describing it to you, and at the time you're driving it, the required supervision is unambiguous.

If it were called "Tesla Drive" or something else, everyone would still be here taking a shit on it nonetheless.

Excrubulent ,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

You're right that it's just a name, which means it's within Tesla's power to not call it "full self driving". Like maybe keep the word "full" for when it's better than "full self driving brackets not really".

The reason it's called that is so when you're buying the car, you can read "full self driving", the salesman can call it "full self driving", and then you can get excited and think you're getting full self driving and pay stupid amounts of money for an iPhone on wheels.

It's also so Musk can get up on stage and lie for years about how you'll be able to go coast to coast while you sleep by the end of the year or whatever it is. Having a bunch of warnings in the software setup is not enough for someone gargling Musk's jizz to cough it up and see it for the bullshit that it is.

You can give us all this extra info but you can't change the core reality that the name is a lie.

halcyoncmdr ,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

So tired of the same arguments. They don't mean anything in the real world. Complain all you want about what the shit is called, it makes no real world difference.

Legally, the driver is responsible for the fucking vehicle and these articles and comments like yours just give the impression you think they shouldn't be responsible because of what it's called. You're giving shitty drivers a pass because they're actively being stupid and you don't like what Tesla names the software. That is the stupidest take in the world.

Go ahead in a court of law and claim you are not responsible for an accident that happens while FSD is activated and let's see whether the name matters for your liability.

baru ,

So tired of the same arguments. They don't mean anything in the real world

The second sentence is a fallacy.

And it does matter that the company is calling it full self driving while it doesn't fully self drive. That it would have that capability is something Musk has promised for many years. It's also a reason that Tesla stock is worth so much.

Go ahead in a court of law and claim you are not responsible for an accident

That's would be a very specific case. Tesla has been reminded multiple times that they need to take into account how people use their vehicles. The company is also under investigation for possible fraud because they are selling something that doesn't do what people would respect it to do.

You're focusing on one thing, but there's multiple ways that the company could be liable. There's been multiple articles explaining that the company is either under investigation or that the company has been warned to change things or else.

Thorny_Insight ,

How does it not fully self drive? What's your definition of full self driving then?

Mercedes Drive Pilot is Level 3 and even it will prompt you to take over when necessary, does it not fully self drive then either? What about Waymo/Cruze? They have remote operators controlling the vehicles when they get stuck. Not fully self driving either? Is the standard that it needs to be absolutely flawless and never fail or what is it?

mojofrododojo ,

Well put. It's a funny thing, words have meaning and if you advertise your products with those words, some portion of the population (gasp!) might believe you!

Excrubulent ,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

I notice you danced around the question of whether it was a lie to focus on bullshit legal stuff, which isn't the arbiter of truth and reality. As I once heard a judge say, "You don't come here for justice, you come here for a judgment."

Anyway since you think it matters, the lawsuit you're talking about is happening and a judge has ruled that the case has merit to continue: https://www.reuters.com/legal/tesla-must-face-vehicle-owners-lawsuit-over-self-driving-claims-2024-05-15/

halcyoncmdr ,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

Merit to continue just means it's not clearly a bullshit lawsuit that should be thrown out to avoid wasting court time. Your linked lawsuit also is not about whether someone is legally responsible for a vehicle driving itself, it is again about the marketing.

I don't give a shit whether their marketing is a lie. Marketing is not the issue at hand, as much as you all want it to be for whatever reason instead of actually blaming the shitty drivers. It has no bearing on whether someone is responsible for the vehicle they are in the driver seat of hitting something or someone.

Why do you not want to put any blame on these drivers? Drivers that ignore the warning when they turned on the function in the first place and that warns them every time they turn it on to still pay attention. Why are you so insistent that the blame should be on Tesla because of what they call it?

Makes me start to think you're that type of driver and trying to justify your belief that you shouldn't be responsible for the actions of a 2 ton murder machine traveling at high speed that you are in control of.

Excrubulent ,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

I don’t give a shit whether their marketing is a lie.

I mean clearly. "Full self-driving" is marketing, and it is a lie. That's the point being made here. You don't have to care about it, but that doesn't mean it's not a lie.

I'm not not blaming the drivers. They were foolish enough to buy a Tesla and trust it with their lives for a start. But I am also blaming the marketing. Two things can be true.

0x0 ,

You do know that marketing is, by its very definition, in practice all lies, right?

Wanna rent a VPN with military-grade encryption?

Excrubulent ,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

So you admit that this is in fact a lie?

"Hey, every psychopathic corporate entity that functionally runs our society lies to us all the time," is not a great sales pitch for why this psychopathic corporation should get a pass for its specific lies.

This is the depth capitalism apologists will stoop to with absolutely no self awareness.

0x0 ,

I don't have to admit to anything because a) i'm not on trial, b) don't work or care for Tesla and c) don't give a rat's ass about your opinion on me :)

Marketing is and always has been mostly lies or half-truths. Yes, legislation has mitigated that to some extent but marketing is still marketing. You'd have to be cognitively impaired to take all that advertising to the letter (come to think of it, maybe that's why coffee in some countries comes with a warning saying it's hot... or microwave instructions must specify they're not suitable for pets).

You'd be kinda excused for believing in all the hype when AI/Tesla were just hitting the scene but nowadays? Get a grip.

Bitch all you want about how Tesla misleads or mismarkets their products (they do, anyone with two brain cells knows that) but if you's gonna use that as an excuse to trust a car to drive 100% independently and flawlessly because they said so... it's totally on you. Or your corpse.

Excrubulent , (edited )
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

You don't have to admit to anything, but you just did.

Bitch all you want about how Tesla misleads or mismarkets their products (they do, anyone with two brain cells knows that)

See? That's what I would call an "admission".

but if you’s gonna use that as an excuse to trust a car to drive 100% independently and flawlessly because they said so… it’s totally on you. Or your corpse.

I... don't? I already said that if you'd been paying attention. It also does not release Tesla and Musk from culpability for lying to people about their product, many of whom went on to become corpses as a result of their negligent and malicious lies, many of them well before Tesla and Musk lost their credibility. I would also say that if your business model relies on selling dangerous bullshit to gormless rubes, then if those gormless rubes get killed by your dangerous bullshit, then you are culpable for that dangerous bullshit by virtue of targetting the gormless rubes.

EDIT: Let's not forget the bystanders who were killed by the dangerous bullshit along with the gormless rubes. People's actions affect more than themselves. This is part of living in a society, which should actually protect its members and not leave them to the machinations of the worst psychopaths. You know, if it's going to be a society worth living in.

Scammers target the mentally infirm by deliberately making their communications extremely unprofessional and laden with grammatical errors, that doesn't mean we blame those people for being scammed.

Also if you have to invent an imaginary version of the other person - someone who drives a Tesla and believes it is actually fully self driving in this case - in order to make your point, then it's probably not a very good point.

0x0 ,

You don’t have to admit to anything, but you just did.

Did i now... if you say so... keep'em internet points, i attach no value to them. 😘

Excrubulent ,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

The quote is right there, in your own words, and you're not even saying anything anymore.

I don't care about internet points either, but I do care about the truth. Apparently you don't.

mojofrododojo ,

Hey everyone, Elon's come to lemmy!

assassin_aragorn ,

They don’t mean anything in the real world.

Uh. They mean everything in the real world? You get sued for false advertising and fraud. Fox News got sued heavily for knowingly lying about voting machines. There's a reason that companies have PR departments. Words matter a lot in the real world.

Are the drivers stupid? Sure. They believed the FSD claim after all. But that doesn't mean Tesla is off the hook. Deceiving stupid people is still deceit.

ShepherdPie ,

The reason it's called that is so when you're buying the car, you can read "full self driving", the salesman can call it "full self driving", and then you can get excited and think you're getting full self driving and pay stupid amounts of money for an iPhone on wheels.

Who exactly are you describing here? Like someone who's been living under a rock for the past 5+ years and thinks cars just drive themselves now, but who also has $50k-$100k to drop on a car and also doesn't do any research beforehand? I think you're blowing this way out of proportion.

All these systems are flawed to some extent as nobody has cracked the code to L5 automation. There is some danger to it but there are many dangers to driving and this eliminates some of them. People have died in Teslas but many more have died in every other production vehicle that has ever existed. If this guy did the samr thing in a Toyota Camry, do you think we'd even be talking about it right now? These systems can only get better with a lot of real-world usage.

I totally get where the other person is coming from. These arguments are so tired and meaningless at this point. If you want Musk to go away, then stop bringing him up at every turn because it just makes people sound like bizzaro-world Musk fans as they hate the guy but can't stop talking about him and following his every move. Some of us want to discuss and debate the actual technology and Musk had nothing to do with developing it.

Excrubulent ,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

Musk was involved in marketing and lying about it, though, and his extremely prolific public image is what gave it so much credibility. He's lost a lot of that credibility now though, largely because people have spent a lot of time criticizing him. If you want him to disappear from the public eye that's great, so do I, but he's one of the most powerful men in the world, so that's not going to happen.

ShepherdPie ,

Well why are you lending him further credibility by continuing to make him prolific? You're just feeding into his goal of garnering more attention at every turn. Media outlets will continue to focus on all his insane ramblings because people like you are guaranteed to click on it.

Excrubulent ,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

but he's one of the most powerful men in the world, so that's not going to happen.

0x0 ,

nobody has cracked the code to L5 automation.

especially if you remove LIDAR.

ShepherdPie ,

The systems with LIDAR aren't L5 either. It's impossible to claim what is and isn't needed when nobody has actually come up with a solution.

0x0 ,

Never said they were, but LIDAR is a big improvement over "cameras and AI". Most other manufactures use it, Tesla stopped using it because of cost sav... because their AI kicks ass and if eyes are enough for humans they're enough for their cars too.

Hell any system where lives are involved should be triple-redundancy.

Thorny_Insight ,

Even this "article" is about nothing happening. The driver was paying attention and took over when the vehicle was about to do something it should. Just as they should.

Also, even if FSD was 10x safer than a human driver and we replaced every single car on the roads with Teslas there would still be 8 people dying every single day in the US alone. Linking articles about these accidents does not prove it being unsafe. It only feeds the confirmation bias of the person posting it and the people upvoting it. People want it to be unsafe so that they can shit on Elon. The standards they apply to Tesla are ridiculous compared to that of other companies. The extremely limited Mercedes Drive Pilot is praised as revolutionary tech while FSD already checks most boxes for Level 4 self-driving.

karrbs ,
@karrbs@kbin.social avatar

Just some insight from my pov. Fsd is marketed as FSD (Supervised). I don't agree with the jamming but it is what it is. I know it does janky stuff, it still forces you to pay attention. Do I believe this could happen, yes but do I doubt the driver always until proven otherwise.

I have had my model y yell at me to take control when I was already out of any auto/fsd mode. I have many downs and many ups. I agree that the car should actively steer you into the train. I was curious if anyone had a link to the dash footage or even to an article with it.

mojofrododojo ,

Fsd is marketed as FSD (Supervised)

it is, now, it was not marketed with any kind of parenthetical qualifier until recently.

halcyoncmdr ,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

Actually, it said Full Self Driving (BETA) until it was updated to (Supervised) recently.

If anything, the beta qualifier is actually better than just saying supervised since that term means not complete and still being developed.

mojofrododojo ,

never heard musk refer to it as anything but full self drive, no qualifiers.

companies concerned with safety wouldn't market the shit until it's safe (see mercedes apparent lead).

Thorny_Insight ,

Mercedes Drive Pilot is hilariously limited system. It for example needs a car in front of it that it can follow or else it wont work. It also only works on limited number of hand-picked highways in California and Nevada.

There's a video on YouTube comparing FSD to Mercedes' equivalent driver assistant software (not the level 3 one) and it's not even a competition. The Mercedes system is completely unusable.

flyingjake ,

To be fair, it could have fully driven itself into the train: "fully self driving" <> "fully safe driving"
/s

jas0n ,

Found the SQL developer!

CrowAirbrush ,

I too come from a time where company's had to sell functional products or go bankrupt, but alas those days are long gone.

Maddier1993 ,

Those should be your expectations when you are on the shop floor and that should allow you to reject the purchase if it's s deal breaker for you. Not when you're crossing railway tracks.

5C5C5C ,

Weird how this notion of "personal responsibility" applies to every person except for those people who choose to intentionally misrepresenting the product by branding it in ways that are misleading. The people running this company aren't responsible for their role in misleading the public, just because the fine print happens to indicate that the product isn't actually what it's marketed as?

Now you'll probably say something to the effect of "I never said that! You're putting words in my mouth!" except what other motivation can you have to jump to the defense of the liar and blame people for being misled, except that you want to put all the responsibility on individuals for being misled and not on the company that is systematically and intentionally misleading them? Maybe you just manage to derive a smug sense of superiority thinking of yourself as someone who is invulnerable to this kind of tactic so blaming the victims lets you feel good about yourself.

Thorny_Insight ,

You literally cannot buy FSD without being told that it needs driver supervision. It also tells you that every single time you enable it and it's constantly nagging to you when you take your hands off the wheel aswell as if you're looking at your phone etc. and given enough warnings the system locks you out of it.

Has Musk been dishonest/misleading about it's capabilities in the past? Yes. Is there a single Tesla owner with FSD who doesn't know the truth? No.

5C5C5C ,

I'm sure you're on the shop floor for every one of those conversations.

But anyway, enjoy being confidently incorrect: https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-safety/tesla-driver-monitoring-fails-to-keep-driver-focus-on-road-a3964813328/

Thorny_Insight ,

"Confidently incorrect"

Then proceeds to link over 2 year old article and even that aknowledges the existence of such system in the title.

It has an indoor camera that is constantly monitoring the driver and nags when they're not paying attention. That's a fact. Nothing what I said has been proven incorrect.

How Tesla's Driver Monitoring System Works

SaltySalamander ,
@SaltySalamander@fedia.io avatar

But anyway, enjoy being confidently incorrect

👆 This is what we call irony

cedarmesa ,
@cedarmesa@lemmy.world avatar

Elon here. Thanks for fighting the good fight. We will deposit 100 X bucks in your account.

karrbs ,
@karrbs@kbin.social avatar

Lol 😂

ZoopZeZoop ,

I hear X bucks can be used in place of the three seashells. Does anyone know if that's true?

NeoNachtwaechter ,

If he had time to notice it not slowing down he had time to brake and take it out of full self driving.

And that's the way he survived. But wrecked that plastic box.

mojofrododojo ,

full self driving

I just take serious issue with this label. It's not fully self driving, it requires the user's attention. the accidents and years of promises broken are just cherries on the shit sundae.

TheFeatureCreature ,
@TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world avatar

Link?

0110010001100010 ,
@0110010001100010@lemmy.world avatar

Looks like the initial post is simply a person on a forum: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/ap-fsd-related-crashes.264798/page-8#post-8259936

There are dashcam videos here but I'm not signing up for a dropbox to view them.

The best (subjective, I know) article that I could quickly find seems to be Yahoo: https://www.yahoo.com/tech/tesla-full-self-driving-mode-160500725.html

The videos here don't load for me, could be an extension blocking them.

Not saying it's not credible, but I would take it with a grain of salt.

That said, knowing the issues with FSD I would be shocked to learn this was made up, lol.

Scolding7300 ,

https://packaged-media.redd.it/72xnyanjce1d1/pb/m2-res_480p.mp4?m=DASHPlaylist.mpd&v=1&e=1716346800&s=6e588f60a83d1888468274f882508f2bf4c2ceb5#t=0

noxy ,
@noxy@yiffit.net avatar

https://x.com/DoluBatarya/status/1792807663828431225/video/2

Talaraine ,

AI said kill this guy right here

Beaver ,
@Beaver@lemmy.ca avatar

It noticed he didn’t like Elon’s tweet that day.

joekar1990 ,

You know… I’d believe Elon is petty enough to actually put something like that in.

Daft_ish ,

What? Every critic of tesla has been in a fata----

car bursts through wall

magnetosphere ,
@magnetosphere@fedia.io avatar

Man, am I glad that I couldn’t afford a Tesla when I thought they were cool and didn’t find Musk repulsive.

Beaver ,
@Beaver@lemmy.ca avatar

Bro I wouldn’t trust Elon to make me a sandwich.

SuckMyWang ,

He’d keep telling you it’s nearly ready but you have already been waiting for hours.

Logh ,

The hypersub sounds difficult, but it’s really easy. I know you are hungry now, but it’s worth it to wait a few years. We’ll make enough hypersubs for everyone by 2028.

Evotech ,

And when you get it it's clearly missing some of the ingredients but he tells you to trust him

rollerbang ,

The lack of waiters is not his fault.

Aceticon ,

And when you get it the bread is cardboard, the cheese is cheap factory stuff but there is little flag pinned on top and sauces with quit daring appearences (some kind of gel with little stars and a bright fluerscent yellow one) have been applied with a clear decorative intent.

sp3tr4l , (edited )

At this point, I believe I know more about sandwich making than any human alive on Earth.

Scene: a gigantic pop up tent with diesel generators in a desert, featuring many granite counters as well as top of the line kitchen appliances, and gamer lighting, all being set up in by workers who are immediately laid off once the jobsite is completed

Elon enters the tent with 4 Tesla bots slowly shambling behind him. One lags out when its remote link to a human controller is severed. Minutes later the remnants of a starlink satellite crash through the far end of the tent kitchen.

3 remaining Tesla bots proceed to bumble around like idiots, unable to open packets of deli ham, entirely ripping off the tops of deli mustard containers

Elon is awkwardly smiling and doing jazz hands the whole time

A neuralink mind controlled pig walks in as one Tesla bot wields a knife. Elon raises his hand to his ear, nods, then pushes a button on some phone app

The pig screams, then a popping noise is heard, and the pig collapses to the ground with smoke and blood coming out of its ears and nose

knife wielding tesla bot attempts to cut the pig's flank, falls, cannot recover

the two remaining tesla bots continue in vain to open a loaf of bread without ripping the entire loaf apart. One slips and falls backwards, the other one runs out of battery and is frozen in place, holding a single piece of wonder bread

Elon curses, reaches into a refrigerator and hands you a crustable

Furbag ,

Cut him a break, he's pioneering sandwich making with this innovative tech. A few hiccups are to be expected.

sp3tr4l ,

Don't say "cut him a break" around a Tesla product, god knows what command it'll interpret that as.

dis_honestfamiliar ,

Same

EtherWhack ,
@EtherWhack@lemmy.world avatar

More and more they are starting to look like someone just vacuum molded the body over a chassis rather than putting any sort of real artistry to it. It also makes me wonder if Ellen is saying the look is "sexy," does he have some sort of spandex fetish. Maybe he stole his mum's pantyhose when alone and strutted around the house wearing them, thinking of himself as such. Maybe he still does...

Scotty_Trees ,
@Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world avatar

Just watched the video. Maybe it's just me, but if you're the driver in a Tesla, and it's foggy as fuck outside, maybe, just maybe, don't use the self driving aspect when visibility is that bad. The amount of people willing to trust Tesla with their lives (and others on the road..) is too damn high!

Scolding7300 ,

I'd put the blame on the branding, full self drive shluld mean full self drive, not most-conditions self drive without explicitly providing the limitations.
Even irplane autopilot systems, which solve a simpler problem, have explicit limitations stated

assassin_aragorn ,

There really needs to be legal pressure for them to change the name. I don't see how it's not false advertising.

lavacake1111 ,

Did the owner not put their car in "Do not ram train" mode?

IphtashuFitz ,

That’s an optional software upgrade. It’ll cost you $12.95 a month.

Excrubulent ,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

Oh come on, who wouldn't pay for that? To not run into trains? That's a bargain! Thanks Daddy Musk 🥰

laurelraven ,

And just think, the rest of us rubes have to manually not drive into trains, like barbarians

Daft_ish ,

Why even live anymore.

drives into train

AmidFuror ,

So sick of people referring to "Do not ram train" mode. You see it all over social media, but especially Lemmy. It's "Do not ram train (Supervised)" mode, and you'd have to be living under a rock for the last 5+ years to think you don't have to actually take control of the wheel to stop it from ramming a train.

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