gamermanh ,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Until I upgraded to Linux Mint recently I actually DID use a Soundblaster card (modern one from 2018) to drive my super nice headphones and speakers

Too bad mint weirdly hated it despite recognizing it, but the new speakers have a fine DAC so....

ExtraMedicated ,

I had to play Wolfenstein 3D with the little wafer speaker on the motherboard.

MystikIncarnate ,

Back in my day, there was a little speaker in the case that connected to the motherboard by a couple of wires.

It sounded terrible and we liked it, because it was better than nothing.

Bartsbigbugbag ,

I still use those, how else can you hear your POST codes?

Aux ,

Most BIOSes can show them on screen and most motherboards have LEDs to indicate WTF is going on before the screen becomes active. Also, boot up failures are extremely rare compared to 1990-s.

boonhet ,

Higher-end motherboards have LCDs for that now

Otherwise I believe many still have lights?

MystikIncarnate ,

Many mainboards have moved to a small piezoelectric speaker, not dissimilar to the buzzer on an old style of digital watch (think Timex), rather than a speaker pinout for the system.

It's soldered right to the mainboard. It's different than the crap cone style system speaker.

The cone style usually was bundled with the case and was usually mismatched lowest bidder garbage.

I'm pretty sure that even very modern mainboards have a piezo style "speaker" on them, though many might forego this in favor of lights or something.

sverit ,

SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 P330 T6

comador ,
@comador@lemmy.world avatar

Failed. IRQ currently in use.

sverit ,

Too real :D

tiredofsametab ,

We had floppy drives but they started making the disks rigid! Rigid!!! If only we could go back to the good old scuzzy times....

MystikIncarnate ,

I think the only floppy disk that I know of that I didn't use was the 7"? I think it was 7. The one that's larger than the 5.25" that was really common.

From there I've used or handled just about every type of digital storage. The 5.25" floppy disks are classic, but easily near the bottom of my list for favorites. They're down there with anything on tape (which is useful but always a hassle), and early USB drives when they used the cheapest solid state IC they could find and no matter what you did the IC was always painfully slow and there was nothing you could do about it because every manufacturer did that shit.

3.5" was rigid on the outside, floppy in the middle. Still a floppy diskette in my view.

Treczoks ,

Eight inches, not seven. Got a story with that...

Back when I was in school, I was working on the side on expanding an ERP system for a customer. Said customer got a stack of printouts from their main supplier each January: The new price list. They meticiously typed that 300+ pages list into their own ERP system, and then checked it for errors. This took the boss and his wife a good part of January and February. Every year.

So I told him that the main supplier already has that data in a computer, why does he not ask to get the price list on disk, and I see whether I can get them into the system via a software import. He called them, asked me back if "IBM Format" would be OK, and I said yes. Surprise: The supplier had an IBM mainframe and sent us an 8" floppy. Luckily, the boss knew the right people with the right equipment and got me a copy on 5.25" and in ASCII (the original was in EBCDIC).

It took me one day to figure out the format, write an importer, and run it to completion. Boss and wife were very happy.

tiredofsametab ,

Yeah, the inside of a 3.5" was still just a little floppy magnetic thing. I was just trying to be silly and channel my old-man-yells-at-cloud vibe.

hogmomma ,

Dr. Sbaitso says "'sup."

Unpigged ,

Soundblaster? Pfff, Covox users club assemble!

Sam_Bass ,

Or turtlebeach or adlib or proaudio spectrum...

nobleshift ,
@nobleshift@lemmy.world avatar

To this day I use a Creative Labs emu 0404 sound card weekly and just purchased a replacement when the present one started having issues every now and then. One of the great underrated pieces of hardware IMO.

Hi/Lo Z in, digital IO, optical IO, analog IO, USB, 24/192, preamps and one hell of a solid clock and it can be used as a stand alone mixer without a PC.

GreatAlbatross ,
@GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk avatar

I still have my PCI 0404 somewhere. I should really work out where, before it gets accidentally binned!

nobleshift ,
@nobleshift@lemmy.world avatar

And the 5v3a (us version) wall plug ....

GreatAlbatross ,
@GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk avatar

No plug! It was just a PCI card with breakout cables. (Which I should definitely track down soon!)

ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

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  • problembasedperson ,

    Thanks for the anecdote. I love reading this kind of context-giving stories on how different our expectations on consumer-grade electronics were.

    Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In ,

    At the time (1995-ish) I was developing a series of Windows applications that let people compose music on their PCs, [...] the actual quality of the music when played through a shitty built-in FM sound chip was depressingly awful

    And the a Atari ST and Amiga 500 was released in the late 1980s.

    Sylence ,
    @Sylence@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    That was a super interesting read - thanks for the writeup!

    GoosLife ,

    You just unlocked a memory for me. One of my dad's friends had a super cool keyboard, I think it was a Casio. It had midi, and a bunch of built in instruments. Then he had another friend, who was a huge geek, who figured out how to extract the midi instruments from the keyboard, so we could use them to replace the cheaper sounding midi instruments in windows.

    Obviously it didn't sound as good as the keyboard, because it still was dragged behind by inferior hardware on the PC. Not to mention the fact that some of the instruments just didn't play, and that Windows liked to crash and revert all instruments back to the default if it didn't like an instrument we tried to feed it, but I still remember it as something really badass.

    thouartfrugal ,

    Most of Creative's AWE32 cards do use a real Yamaha OPL3 chip for FM synthesis, which can produce two-or-four operator voices. The latter of those can approach the quality of the voices in their DX7-family line of musical instruments. Even the older OPL2 chip that is limited to two-operator voices can sound great when programmed well (not that I'd call it realistic-sounding).

    The other synth chip on the AWE32 is the Ensoniq EMU8000. That one does sample-based synthesis as you describe above.

    Just wanted to note that Creative misappropriated the term wavetable synthesis when they marketed this and other sample-based synthesis cards of theirs, and the misnomer spread widely to the products of other companies and persists to this day.

    SpaceCadet , (edited )
    @SpaceCadet@feddit.nl avatar

    most PCs by that time had built-in MIDI synthesizers

    Built-in? You had AdLib cards for FM synthesis, but they were never built-in and most PCs didn't even have them. Adlib cards used the Yamaha OPL2 or OPL3 chip.

    Along came Creative Labs with their AWE32, a synthesizer card that used wavetable synthesis instead of FM

    You are skipping a very important part here: cards that could output digital audio. The early Soundblaster cards were pioneers here (SB 1.0, SB 2.0, SB Pro, SB16). The SB16 for example was waaaaay more popular than the AWE32 ever was, even if it still used OPL3 based FM synth for music. It's the reason why most soundcards in the 90s were "Soundblaster compatible".

    Digital audio meant that you could have recorded digital sound effects in games. So when you fired the shotgun in Doom to kill demons, it would play actual sound effects of shotgun blasts and demon grunts instead of bleeps or something synthesized and it was awesome. This was the gamechanger that made soundcards popular, not wavetable.

    The wavetable cards I feel were more of a sideshow. They were interesting, and a nice upgrade, especially if you composed music. They never really took off though and they soon became obsolete as games switched from MIDI based audio to digital audio, for example Quake 1 already had its music on audio tracks on CD-ROM, making wavetable synthesis irrelevant.

    BTW, I also feel like you are selling FM synthesis short. The OPL chips kinda sucked for plain MIDI, especially with the Windows drivers, and they were never good at reproducing instrument sounds but if you knew how to program them and treated the chip as its own instrument rather than a tool to emulate real world instruments, they were capable of producing beautiful electronic music with a very typical sound signature. You should check out some of the adlib trackers, like AdTrack2 for some examples. Many games also had beautiful FM synthesized soundtracks, and I often preferred it over the AWE32 wavetable version (e.g. Doom, Descent, Dune)

    Yaztromo ,

    Along came Creative Labs with their AWE32, a synthesizer card that used wavetable synthesis instead of FM.

    Creative Labs did wavetable synthesis well before the AWE32 — they released the Wave Blaster daughter board for the Sound Blaster 16, two full years before the AWE32 was released.

    (FWIW, I’m not familiar with any motherboards that had FM synthesis built-in in the mid 90’s. By this time, computers were getting fast enough to be able to do software-driven wavetable synthesis, so motherboards just came with a DAC).

    Where the Sound Blaster really shined was that the early models were effectively three cards in one — an Adlib card, a CMS card, and a DAC/ADC card (with models a year or two later also acting as CD-ROM interface cards). Everyone forgets about CMS because Adlib was more popular at the time, but it was capable of stereo FM synthesis, whereas the Adlib was only ever mono.

    (As publisher of The Sound Blaster Digest way back then, I had all of these cards and more. For a few years, Creative sent me virtually everything they made for review. AMA).

    NutWrench ,
    @NutWrench@lemmy.ml avatar

    The Yamaha YM3812 sound chip was the backbone of computer sound & music generation for almost a decade.

    Allero ,

    Still running Creative SoundBlasterX G5

    Amazing card, and the series is very much alive

    PenisWenisGenius ,

    I wonder what would happen if you tried to run a soundblaster 16 on Linux. Would it work and how shitty would the sound quality be?

    Allero ,

    No idea honestly :D

    The modern G5 runs perfectly alright though.

    possiblylinux127 ,
    @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

    Why? Also isn't that a PCI card not a PCIe card? I don't do much audio but it seems like on board would be easier

    Allero ,

    G5 is a USB card. And I'd argue that's the best approach, as sound signal being analog is highly susceptible to interference, and insides of a computer have a lot of that.

    possiblylinux127 ,
    @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

    That feels like a myth from the 90s

    Allero ,

    Nah, actually experienced it with random internal cards and decided to play it safe.

    Can't say for all internal sound cards though, there can absolutely be ones that don't have the issue.

    MystikIncarnate ,

    On board is easier and for any audio enthusiast, sounds like trash by comparison.

    I have yet to meet an onboard audio solution that didn't give you garbage in the output. Whether it's coil whine, a low hiss or a 60hz him, there's always something.

    Onboard, in my experience also distorts way earlier into the volume slider by comparison.

    But yeah, onboard is much easier.

    possiblylinux127 ,
    @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

    I haven't had that in well over 10 years

    MystikIncarnate ,

    I always hear interference, especially from a mouse, in onboard audio.

    I'm happy you haven't had this problem, but I consider that to be an outlier in the grand scheme of things.

    I'd also be willing to bet you have the problem but just haven't noticed it. Which is fine. If the issue isn't one you have noticed, and you're fine with onboard, go ham. Have fun. That's not me though.

    possiblylinux127 ,
    @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

    Take a look at your board. How many sources of interference do you see? Historically a lot of the board was analog. Now they are digital. Unless your board is a fire hazard that shouldn't happen. It just isn't how it works. If USB affects audio you machine is probably toast and fuses should of blown.

    MystikIncarnate ,

    Considering how many systems I've heard this on, not just my own, and how long I've been able to hear it, no. Definitely not.

    Some newer boards have gotten wise to the issue and generally shield or provide an exclusion area around audio carrying circuits. Not all of them do it.

    Above and beyond that, the amps used are generally crap and distort at high volume levels, so no matter how good your headphones are, the audio always sounds like hot trash at high volume levels regardless of pretty much everything else.

    My AG06 costs as much as a cheap motherboard. There's no doubt that the audio hardware, designed and produced by Yamaha, a well known name in audio equipment, had been built with better components than you'll find in your average onboard audio solution, and with more attention to detail about interference sources.

    Considering the AG06 is on their low end of equipment, compared to some stuff out there, it's complete trash. There are audio interfaces and headphone amps that cost 5-10x what I paid for the AG06, and some that cost more. I promise you they sound better than my dinky little audio interface/mixer.

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if you're happy with your audio solution, cool. Use it. I'm not here to judge you for what you like. For those who hear the distortion and interference from onboard audio, they already know what I'm talking about and likely have their own audio setup which eliminates any trouble they might have with their onboard audio. As long as they're happy with theirs, cool, they should use it.

    I'm happy with mine.

    Please don't argue that the problem doesn't exist because your limited experience hasn't noticed it. That kind of subjective anecdotal evidence proves nothing beyond the fact that you don't have a problem with your setup.

    That's cool. But don't tell me that it's not a problem just because you don't have that problem.

    thelsim ,
    @thelsim@sh.itjust.works avatar

    "The planet Arrakis, known as Dune"

    My very first experience with a sound card was watching the Dune 2 intro on my dad's friend's computer. I was so amazed, I just sat in awe as that intro movie played.
    On the drive home I tried to remember if what I heard was real, and I just couldn't imagine it. When I tried to recall what I saw and heard, I could only imagine hearing that tinny internal speaker making bleeps and bloops instead of the actual sounds. It just seemed so unreal at the time that I could not recall what I had heard only a few hours earlier :)

    On a side note, I don't think any studio in the nineties made as memorable tunes and sounds as Westwood did. There was always something enchanting about them. Dune 2, the Kyrandia games, they all had excellent music that really played into the strengths of what was available back then.
    Of course I'm talking with pink tinted nostalgia goggles, but still... good memories :)

    moncharleskey ,

    Frank Klepacki, what a fucking gem.

    NaoPb ,

    Great, now I have the ornithopter theme from Dune 1 stuck in my head.

    https://youtu.be/LWXFX7LpCHA

    SpaceCadet ,
    @SpaceCadet@feddit.nl avatar

    Ah the sweet sounds of a simpler, worryfree time ...

    Aurix ,

    You should still buy sound cards as they are significantly better, at least the ones in the 100€ range. Just because there are premium mainboards with acceptable sound doesn't mean it is great.

    The_Picard_Maneuver OP Mod ,
    @The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

    Do you need better speakers to appreciate it? Mine are cheapo $15 ones from Amazon.

    Pilferjinx ,

    Yikes. Depends on your priorities, I guess. I love music and sound in general so I've put some funds into some decent gear. You don't need to break the bank, especially if you go the iem/headphone route.

    Potatos_are_not_friends ,

    Reminds me of the people who buy a expensive graphics card but use a cheap office monitor. Which is me.

    possiblylinux127 ,
    @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

    Get used

    possiblylinux127 ,
    @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

    I doubt it. Unless your motherboard is really old I think it won't matter. Sound is easy to do these days.

    Blackmist ,

    Ah, the days of needing a 3D GPU and a 2D GPU...

    Aux ,

    I find it really interesting that modern 3D pipelines are so efficient that drawing 2D using 3D part of GPU is faster and better than using 2D part of GPU still present in modern GPUs for backwards compatibility. Maybe 2D is now done in software in drivers though, I'm not sure, haven't checked.

    ssj2marx ,

    I remember having the Extigy, and having problems getting it work properly with basically every single game I owned.

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