Malfeasant ,

At the same time, the Commodore Amiga had built-in stereo 44.1kHz 16-bit sound...

khannie ,
@khannie@lemmy.world avatar

Magnificent machine. I loved mine so much for so many years.

Blackmist ,

I even played Doom and Doom 2 on mine, at some horrendously low resolution.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In ,

8 channels (if they cheated a bit)

Tehdastehdas ,
@Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world avatar
Malfeasant ,

I don't think that's accurate... Of course it's possible I'm misremembering something from 35+ years ago, but there's no performance benefit for 14 bits over 16- either way, it's a 2-byte fetch, you don't save anything by leaving off two bits. So I'd almost believe it was 8-bit rather than 16, but the difference in sound quality is huge, and the Amigas had a 16-bit data bus so 16-bit fetches took no more effort than 8-bit. The sample rate I'd be more likely to believe I had wrong, but again, there are technical reasons for the 44.1 kHz rate that have to do with recording digital audio to videotape, so I could see it being half that, but not some random number. But again, huge sound quality difference between 44.1 and 22.05.

All that said, I'm not too familiar with the 1000, I had the 500 which was basically the same machine as the 2000 but in a more compact case. My uncle had a 1000, but he used it professionally so he wouldn't let me near it :D

geekworking ,

The C=64 SID was even further ahead of its time

lightnsfw ,

The first upgrade I ever made to a PC was having to get a sound card to run Morrowind.

Nashveggie ,

Dr. Sbaitso was the speech systhesis DOS program that was included with most Soundblaster cards. You could tell Dr. Sbaitso about all of your problems.

t_berium ,
@t_berium@lemmy.world avatar

What a nightmare it was to have sound AND your CD drive drivers to load and leave enough memory for some of those nasty old DOS games.
Felt like being a hacker.

(I might have realized I'm the old guy in the picture)

whome ,

And that dedicated sound cable for DVD CD drive to your soundblaster

khannie ,
@khannie@lemmy.world avatar

Oh wow. I totally forgot about those.

t_berium ,
@t_berium@lemmy.world avatar

And if that cable's isolation was crap, you could hear your mouse movement through your speakers.

NaoPb ,

That also happened with the early onboard sound cards.

Malfeasant ,

I built a config.sys file with a menu that then passed the menu choice on to autoexec.bat so I could choose at boot time between 3 configurations- one with expanded memory for older games that required it, one with extended memory for everyday use and newer games, and one with everything extra (including CD-ROM drivers) stripped away to maximize free conventional RAM for the one or two games that needed that...

t_berium ,
@t_berium@lemmy.world avatar

I know that was a thing and I tried to get it done, but never managed to get it to work properly.
So back to manual configuration and rebooting it was.

But I like to think that's how I learned how my PC works and what it does when doing so, which helped me identify the cause of many issues over the years.

jaybone ,

How could you have a menu in config.sys?? I wasn’t aware that was even possible.

Malfeasant ,

I don't remember at this point... So I googled, this looks familiar: http://smallvoid.com/article/dos-multiple-configurations.html

jaybone ,

That’s crazy. It’s like some ghetto DOS version of grub.

Aux ,

Speaking of memory, I had a weird 486 machine which had baked in 16MB of ram which were accessible through EMS and 16MB of replaceable RAM sticks accessible through XMS interface. The thing is EMS worked faster in DOS, but XMS worked faster in Windows 95. So when booting up into DOS, all the apps would use baked in EMS RAM, but when booting into Windows, all the apps would use XMS RAM.

SpaceCadet ,
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Sound typically (*) didn't require "drivers" or any TSR though. The game had to do all the hardware control itself.

It was usually enough to set a BLASTER variable to point it at the correct IRQ, DMA and memory address, and perhaps run a program at boot to initialize the card and set volume levels, but no TSR eating up memory.

(*) Some exceptions are later soundcards of the Win 9x era that did crappy emulation of a real Soundblaster via a TSR in DOS.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

what was really cool were the few games that would give realistic* music and speech from the internal motherboard speaker. No daughterboards or external speakers required. This was 386 era, I think.

* realistic as much as could be from that tiny internal speaker and 8 bits of data.

TSG_Asmodeus ,
@TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world avatar

"Old lamps for new! Old lamps for new!"

VelvetGentleman ,

I still hear this through my tinny onboard in my deepest dreams.

9point6 ,

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I think the PC speaker was literally a 1-bit speaker. Anything that sounded more detailed was PWM on that one bit

khannie ,
@khannie@lemmy.world avatar

That's correct. Jesus they were awful yokes but they were really mostly intended for letting you know that your hardware was bollixed at boot time.

PC's had mostly been business machines really until the 90s if my memory is correct.

If you wanted gaming you got a more gaming focused machine like an Amiga or console.

thomasloven ,

That’s the only way to listen to the Sim City soundtrack.

thelsim ,
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Yes, I remember these! Countdown And Tex Murphy: The Martian Memorandum come to mind. I remember being amazed at the sounds suddenly coming out of our internal computer speaker. It even had something close to speech!
The manual also came with some info on making the sound even better using some alligator clips, but that went waaaay over my little head at the time :)

technojamin ,

I still use an external Creative sound card so I can switch my speakers over USB between my work laptop and personal desktop!

AdrianTheFrog ,
@AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world avatar

I’m using a cheap one of those from amazon for my headphones on my laptop because the audio jack suddenly stopped recognizing when headphones were plugged in. (although I still get a dmesg error log when I stick a q-tip in to the jack? If anyone knows how to debug this, please tell me)

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

Can't you just use a barrel jack?

shadow_wanker ,

220/5/1

heckypecky ,

1000 yard stare

IsThisAnAI ,

In the grand scheme of things they were relatively inexpensive. You could spend a lot but you didn't need to.

Frostbeard ,

Long live the Gravis Ultrasound Max!

LordCrom ,

I was a rebel and went with the Pro Audio 16

SuiXi3D ,
@SuiXi3D@fedia.io avatar

And of course there was a short period of time where a sound card wasn’t required, but would actually improve performance by offloading audio processing to your sound card if you had one. And onboard audio at that time wasn’t great anyways.

Zehzin , (edited )
@Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

You can still get discrete sound cards (both internal and USB), though they're more for audiophile stuff. With the PS5 touting big 3d audio improvements and HRTFs I half expected manufacturers to make a push to bring them back or at least feature sound features more prominantly in motherboards but I guess CPUs these days can just spare the cycles if you want fancy audio.

FinalRemix ,

Generating music still benefits from offloading to discrete devices though. Like using a synth or multitrack stuff.

WolfLink ,

Modern CPUs can do all the audio processing you’d ever need (maybe barring some professional use cases like making music or editing a movie).

Audiophile external audio devices are just doing the conversion from a digital signal to an analogue signal.

raspberriesareyummy ,

And of course there was a short period of time where a sound card wasn’t required, but would actually improve performance by offloading audio processing to your sound card if you had one

we are at this point in history, but for graphics cards :)

hakunawazo ,

I'll give you 4 characters: 3dfx.

AdrianTheFrog ,
@AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world avatar

Not in the same way, as you aren’t using the integrated gpu at all if you get an external one. I guess if you’re talking about shared ram this makes sense though.

raspberriesareyummy ,

I seem to recall the integrated sound wasn't used either, when I had my sound card in - the audio connectors were going directly into the sound card.

AdrianTheFrog ,
@AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world avatar

yea, IDK how it works as I've never had a computer back then, but the quoted reply makes it sound like getting a sound card would take load off of the CPU.

raspberriesareyummy ,

oh - my apologies, I forgot that on-board graphics have a dedicated chipset. Also, no idea whether on-board sound would have used CPU power back in the late days of soundcards, as the comment I responded to was claiming... might have been a sound chip for that, too..

heckypecky ,

And the mind blowing difference in midi quality if you heard the upgrade the first time...

9point6 ,

Oh god AC97 era onboard audio was just bad, there was always weird glitchy sounds coming from interference elsewhere on the motherboard

khannie ,
@khannie@lemmy.world avatar

Or when your mobile phone was about to ring.

9point6 ,

That one was actually down to poorly insulated speakers and 2G phone signals dipping into the audible frequency range

rainynight65 ,

I remember Battlefield 2 being a prime example for that. Not only did its performance improve once I added a discrete sound card, it also sounded much better.

SuiXi3D ,
@SuiXi3D@fedia.io avatar

I bought an X-Fi card just for that game.

grue ,

Back when MIDI and the quality of your synthesizer actually mattered!

jaaake ,
ValenThyme ,

It was all fun and games until your thrustmaster and your soundblaster and your modem hit an IRQ conflict.

Plug-and-play was a godsend for gamers.

LordCrom ,

Plug and pray

BOFH666 ,

Gravis Ultrasound with red pcb reporting..

jaaake ,

Did you get the matching Gravis Gamepad or was it late enough that you had a Microsoft Sidewinder?

BOFH666 ,

Gravis gamepad :-)

Rock solid!

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