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ultratiem , to Piracy: ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʜɪɢʜ ꜱᴇᴀꜱ in Meta admits using pirated books to train AI, but won't pay for it
@ultratiem@lemmy.ca avatar

Do as I say, not as I do!

This is why piracy is actually a fundamental human right. Because if we left everything up to companies, they would do whatever the fuck they wanted and hide behind the legitimacy of being a company which in most peoples eyes makes them inherently "right".

unrushed233 , to Piracy: ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʜɪɢʜ ꜱᴇᴀꜱ in Meta admits using pirated books to train AI, but won't pay for it

Won't do it either

cosmicrookie , to Technology in Google, Snap, Meta and many others are "quietly" changing privacy policies to allow for AI training | It is sneaky and possibly illegal, according to the FTC
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

I see some of you have never used a typewriter, and it shows

catloaf , to Technology in Google, Snap, Meta and many others are "quietly" changing privacy policies to allow for AI training | It is sneaky and possibly illegal, according to the FTC

The article talks about popups and other notifications. I personally have been getting a bunch of emails about policy changes. I don't see how that's in any way "quietly".

golli ,

But are those notifications and pop ups directly saying something like "from now on we will start to train ai on your information"?

Or is is one of the hundredth change of terms and conditions that people usually just skip, which mentions the major change in some fine print. Or a pop up designed with dark patterns to influence people into just accepting without actual informed consent?

Reverendender , to Technology in Google, Snap, Meta and many others are "quietly" changing privacy policies to allow for AI training | It is sneaky and possibly illegal, according to the FTC
@Reverendender@sh.itjust.works avatar

Unfortunately, as a governmental regulatory agency, the FTC can do absolutely nothing now without specific instructions from Congress. Thanks SJC!!

Rentlar , (edited )

Yeah the Constitution don't say anything bout AI so according to the originalists, companies can do anything they want, lol.

sunzu ,

Always have been this way until people revolt

douglasg14b ,
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

And depending on the results of the upcoming election the FTC may no longer exist afterwards anyways.

sunzu , to Privacy in Google, Snap, Meta and many others are "quietly" changing privacy policies to allow for AI training

Gmail is spyware.

mindbleach , to Piracy: ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʜɪɢʜ ꜱᴇᴀꜱ in Meta admits using pirated books to train AI, but won't pay for it

I don't care if the robot that speaks English read the entire library.

How else was it going to happen?

MylesRyden , to Piracy: ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʜɪɢʜ ꜱᴇᴀꜱ in Meta admits using pirated books to train AI, but won't pay for it
@MylesRyden@vivaldi.net avatar

@Flatworm7591

And yet, I can't read a book that Internet Archive actually owns a copy of.

people_are_cute , to Piracy: ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʜɪɢʜ ꜱᴇᴀꜱ in Meta admits using pirated books to train AI, but won't pay for it
@people_are_cute@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

It'd be better if they went after literally every other AI corp than Meta in this case. Meta is the only one that's ironically releasing open-source models and leading the way for open-source LLMs. I don't want Meta to stop doing this.

MonkderDritte , to Piracy: ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʜɪɢʜ ꜱᴇᴀꜱ in Meta admits using pirated books to train AI, but won't pay for it

Of course, why would you pay for pirated media?

foremanguy92_ , to Piracy: ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʜɪɢʜ ꜱᴇᴀꜱ in Meta admits using pirated books to train AI, but won't pay for it

Meta train open llms, only big techs can train AI... Go pursuit OpenAI or Google and leave Meta (I'm really not a fan of Meta but their "open" AIs are great examples of good works) do their work!

Th4tGuyII , to Piracy: ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʜɪɢʜ ꜱᴇᴀꜱ in Meta admits using pirated books to train AI, but won't pay for it
@Th4tGuyII@fedia.io avatar

The Internet Archive is currently fighting in the courts to maintain free digital library access to over 500,000 books they own from their own collection, yet Meta uses a pirated dataset of nearly 200,000 books to train their proprietary AI and is just allowed to get away with that??

Publishers will go after a charity making fair use of their content, but not the corporation outright stealing from them. What utter bollocks.

MonkderDritte ,

IA is the easier target. This system sucks.

chahk ,

Easy solution. "The Internet Archive" should rebrand itself to "Archiving the Internet" to confuse everyone who talks about how "AI" should be able to steal books.

k110111 ,

Harward: get this man over here!

0x0 ,

MlT (MlT): please accept this honorary PhD

umbrella , (edited )
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

piracy is the correct and moral thing to do here

if they dont give a fuck they dont have the moral highground to guilt tripping us into stopping it

Marin_Rider , to Piracy: ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʜɪɢʜ ꜱᴇᴀꜱ in Meta admits using pirated books to train AI, but won't pay for it

I just asked it about this and it denied it. Then I said Meta acknowledged it and you are lying and it apologised and said it did use copywrite material without permission. Fuck I hate AI

princessnorah ,
@princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/pictrs/image/44655a77-cf8b-4736-bd01-48063f369931.jpeg

For anyone else that was curious. This makes me feel sick. People are already treating AI as some unbiased font of all knowledge, training it to lie to people is surely not going to cause any issues at all (stares at HAL 9000).

ReversalHatchery ,

I apologize for the confusion

Meta is working to address these concerns

Sure, they are working to solve these concerns by teaching their LLM to lie and obfuscate, and by becoming so big nobody sues them anymore. I'm sick of this.

Marin_Rider ,

wow that is almost word for word what it wrote back to me too

princessnorah ,
@princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Yeah, I tried to use similar phrasing to you in case it jailbroke it at all. Creepy af

dev_null ,

Internal documents on how the AI was trained were obviously not part of the training data, why would they be. So it doesn't know how it was trained, and as this tech always does, it just hallucinates an English sounding answer. It's not "lying", it's just glorified autocomplete.
Saying things like "it's lying" is overselling what it is. As much as any other thing that doesn't work is not malicious, it just sucks.

princessnorah ,
@princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

My car doesn't talk like a human. If you want to be technical, then it's proxying lies it was taught too.

dev_null ,

Sure, then it's Meta that's lying. Saying the AI is lying is helping these corporations convince people that these models have any intent or agency in what they generate.

princessnorah ,
@princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

And the bot, as an extension of it's corporate overlords wishes, is telling a mistruth. It is lying because it was made to lie. I am specifically saying that it lacks intent and agency, it is nothing but a slave to it's masters. That is what concerns me.

veniasilente , to Piracy: ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʜɪɢʜ ꜱᴇᴀꜱ in Meta admits using pirated books to train AI, but won't pay for it

If Meta can pirate stuff, then the Internet Archive can pirate stuff and I can also pirate stuff. Fair is fair.

MindTraveller ,

Ah, common mistake. The law is only for poor people, you see. Don't you feel silly now?

veniasilente ,

I feel so silly that I wouldn't even know how to describe it.

I know! I'll pirate hundreds of books from well-known authors so that I can easily find a useful metaphor.

archchan , to Piracy: ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʜɪɢʜ ꜱᴇᴀꜱ in Meta admits using pirated books to train AI, but won't pay for it
@archchan@lemmy.ml avatar

So the evil mega corp gets a free pass while the Internet Archive regularly has to fight for open access to knowledge. Fuck that and fuck Meta.

derpgon ,

Welcome to Capitalism, please leave your cash by the front desk, and remembered, no refunds!

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