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RizzRustbolt , to Ukraine in Russia Says It's Assembled a Lithography Machine, Will Make 350nm Chips Soon

That thumbnail is beyond choice. No notes. Just ... spectacular.

quoll , to Ukraine in Russia Says It's Assembled a Lithography Machine, Will Make 350nm Chips Soon

Chips is going in missiles and tanks arn't leading edge. They kill just as effectively.

nxdefiant , (edited ) to Ukraine in Russia Says It's Assembled a Lithography Machine, Will Make 350nm Chips Soon

GMLRS: And I took that personally

YeetPics , to Ukraine in Russia Says It's Assembled a Lithography Machine, Will Make 350nm Chips Soon
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Damn, that's only 50x larger than what the rest of the world wants.

In three days they'll be making 2nm chips and we'll all be screwed

Valmond ,

50x50 times my friend, the chips are on 2D slates, the nanometre distance is just for one side...

Edit: The distance between the transistors ofc.

notaviking , to Ukraine in Russia Says It's Assembled a Lithography Machine, Will Make 350nm Chips Soon

Not to piss on the party, but ATmega328p chips that we use in Arduinos, if I am not incorrect, is based on 350nm process, or you just scale to that size and accept the inefficiencies. People have been doing amazing stuff with worse chips in the past. Yeah modern features in modern chips are amazing but if I was a soldier my slightly smart (Arduino standards) weapon is still a deadly weapon in my arsenal

CanadaPlus ,

It's kind of an embarrassing brag, though, like saying you're finally toilet trained. Good for you, that will help, but the rest of us are way past that.

notaviking ,

That's cute if you think that analogy is sufficient to make you feel better. Make no mistake I hope western weapons will turn the tide but war is messy and even if you have the most advance quality weapons, quantity unfortunately still does damage even how basic, if I have 1 million soldiers with swords and bows descend on a thousand highly advanced soldiers the battle will be intense. If the west continues to drip feed support, low level basic weaponry in abundance will counter the support. The toilet training level technology has put astronauts on the moon.

CanadaPlus , (edited )

Yeah, to be clear, you're not wrong, despite the downvotes. A basic chip is better than no chip. I don't think it will make much difference for them, though, because when they've needed chips there's China and failing that smugglers. I's also just a machine, per the headline.

thepreciousboar ,

Litography technology is only the first part of the deal. You need an incredible amount of knowledge to design processors, use the technology and have a working and reliable product. Manufacturing chips is difficult, you also need to source good qualitt silicon

notaviking ,

You are right, I am between believing Russian propaganda and thinking Russia's resiliency, the knowledge is available and they have a key partner like China that I believe will share expertise in such archaic field, these are the same Russians that stripped washing machines for their chips so the ingenuity is there

mozz , to Ukraine in Russia Says It's Assembled a Lithography Machine, Will Make 350nm Chips Soon
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Russia: Sanctions aren’t doing shit, we’re actually better off without the outside world

Also Russia: Hey never mind about the toilets, let me show you how we’ve mastered Nintendo 64 technology

CanadaPlus , (edited )

mastered started working with

mozz ,
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Yes, you are correct, that's a very relevant correction. "Soon," they say.

Spitzspot , to Ukraine in Russia Says It's Assembled a Lithography Machine, Will Make 350nm Chips Soon
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Soon they'll be able to run Doom.

mozz ,
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Doom was actually a little before the 350nm era. Doom was like 386 and 486 timeframe; the first Pentium machines were being made when it was released, whereas 350nm was the Pentium Pro. So if they're working on 350nm, they're already ahead of Doom level hardware, hopefully.

Valmond ,

Castle Wolfenstein seems more appropriate, in some twisted backwards way.

Forester , (edited ) to Ukraine in Russia Says It's Assembled a Lithography Machine, Will Make 350nm Chips Soon
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The 350 nanometer process is a level of semiconductor process technology that was reached in the 1995–1996 timeframe

The new stuff is 3nm

Venat0r ,

I think this youtuber might have achieved similar nm with his DIY setup, but I don't remember. He's using a different process though.

reddithalation ,

breaking taps is very impressive, but sam zeloof made it quite a bit further, he made his own packaged IC. now he runs a startup called atomic semi, that is trying to use electron beam lithography for prototyping.

tehWrapper ,
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More than enough power to guide a missile.

aniki , (edited )

Not a guide missile with any kind of scrambling necessary to not get obliterated by current DoD tech. When it comes to realtime, clock-rate is everything.

reddithalation ,

350 nm is massive and ancient relative to new processes, but the name of a new process stopped physically meaning anything a while ago. for instance, the 3 nm process smallest distance between traces is only 24 nm.

now the industry just names a new process when enough techniques for improving performance (without much actual size difference) exist.

Mango ,

Baby steps

jaschen ,

The newest stuff out of Taiwan is 1.6nm.

Allero , to Technology in Russia Says It's Assembled a Lithography Machine, Will Make 350nm Chips Soon

I think that behind those "oh, it's 30 years old" people miss one thing:

350nm chips are perfectly alright for many things. Simple controllers, chips inside various appliances, even some of the simpler military tech can absolutely rely on those chips.

It is way more than nothing.

NutWrench , to Technology in Not Dead Yet: WD Releases New 6TB 2.5-Inch External Hard Drives - First Upgrade in Seven Years
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I've got the 5TB version of this drive as a backup for my gaming laptop. Haven't had any problems with it.

shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit , to Technology in Not Dead Yet: WD Releases New 6TB 2.5-Inch External Hard Drives - First Upgrade in Seven Years

From the article:

UPDATE 5/17, 6 PM: Western Digital has confirmed that the new 2.5-inch T GB HDDs uses 6 SMR platters

SMR = shingled magnetic recording https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shingled_magnetic_recording - "continuous writing of large amount of data is noticeably slower than with CMR drives"

catloaf ,

They're external, you're not going to be using them for performance anyway.

TheFeatureCreature ,
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True, but to a point. Being external, it'd be something I plug in occasionally to back up large project files. I don't technically need blazing speeds but I'd still be displeased if my transfers took 10 minutes or more.

shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit ,

Yes, I should've added - whether the write speed matters depends on your own use case.

For my SMR drive, it's taking roughly 2GB of backup files every few hours, in the background, and there's plenty of empty space on the drive. In my case, it doesn't matter at all.

However, if you're sat at your computer, frequently transferring large files while the drive is at least half full, and you have to wait for completion... Then it'll matter.

Trex202 , to Technology in Not Dead Yet: WD Releases New 6TB 2.5-Inch External Hard Drives - First Upgrade in Seven Years

What does one need 6TB of storage for?

KaRunChiy ,
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Porn

QuadratureSurfer ,
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Videography
Photography
Downloading Machine Learning Models
Data for Training ML Models
Training ML Models
Gaming (the games themselves or saving replays)
Backing up movies/videos/images etc.
Backing up music
NAS

Take your pick, feel free to mix and match or add on to the list.

Mr_Dr_Oink ,

And music production, that takes a tonne of space.

HKayn ,
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My GOG and Bandcamp libraries.

helpImTrappedOnline ,

Large capacity drives are good for backups, especially if you're backing a lot of media, such as a DVD/Bluray collection.

SaltySalamander ,
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Some people actually use their computer.

Rai ,

My mate has 120TB on his NAS and it’s about half full. He’s got programs that automatically download music, movies, shows, and more as soon as they’re released.

bamboo ,

Scientific workloads often involve very large datasets. It might be high resolution data captured from various sensors, or it might be more “normal” data but in huge quantities. Assuming the data itself is high quality, larger datasets mean more accurate conclusions.

ryannathans , to Technology in Not Dead Yet: WD Releases New 6TB 2.5-Inch External Hard Drives - First Upgrade in Seven Years

Just don't look at the failure rates

vanderbilt ,
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OMG is it bad. We used a couple WD drives for a surveillance camera array and they didn’t last a year. Two drives failed 9 months apart. Ended up going on Blackblaze and picking what looked best for our XFS Raid 10 having learned that lesson the hard way.

far_university1990 ,

Backblaze publish drive fail report

CptEnder ,

Yeah our company learned the hard way when they bought out G-DRIVE. Got a line failure on 4x 20TB drives.

Switched back to LaCie and Glyph.

Endorkend , to Technology in Not Dead Yet: WD Releases New 6TB 2.5-Inch External Hard Drives - First Upgrade in Seven Years
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I have a dual NVMe USB3 caddy that's smaller than most 2.5 HDD housings with currently 2 2TB drives, you can buy 4 and 8TB nvme drives these days too. I can throw that thing out a car and it won't care.

And the drives are easily swappable and so are the electronics in the casing.

So no, 2.5" HDD's still are an utterly dead end of technology.

Especially with these and some other vendors, the USB interface is part of the drive (there's no SATA port on them), so you can't swap them or take them out for data recovery. They are HDD tech, which doesn't do shocks or any other sort of roughhousing, they are slow as shit and use far more power than any NVMe drive.

zatanas ,

Which NVMe USB3 caddy are you using? I'd like to get me one.

Endorkend ,
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Looks like this one except that it is sealed on one end and the caddies for the two drives have a cover plate that screws in over a gasket and rubber ring.

I got it in a shop in Hong Kong when I was there for a convention earlier this year. No idea if you can find it online, maybe somewhere like Alibaba.

elucubra , to Technology in Not Dead Yet: WD Releases New 6TB 2.5-Inch External Hard Drives - First Upgrade in Seven Years

These things (and Seagate's) have the usb interface soldered on, so if the drivd dies, forget about the data, no way to connect to another usb adapter to try to recover. Granted, it's usually the drive that dies, but in these cases, you have a 100% rate of non recovery . Any other brand's are standard drives. My favorite are toshiba.

tal ,
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Why would the USB electronics be particularly likely to fail relative to other electronics on the drive?

Dhs92 ,

Solder joints

Endorkend ,
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Because you flex and replug the interface often.

The thing you use to plug your phone, tablet, drives and other things with is very often the failure point unless you break screens or get water in them.

Normally you simply have a HDD drive with a SATA interface in there, so if the USB connector fails, you can still easily recover your data.

With these things, you're lucky if they even offer the possibility of repairing or recovering the drive.

eskimofry ,

Because that's usually the cheapest part that manufacturers can get away with cheapening iut further.

elucubra ,

In my experience the drive fails more often than the adapter, but they do fail. Also, there is a good chance to recover data from a failed drive. With a soldered adaptor it's basically impossible.
The worst part is that the externals are often used for backups.

elucubra ,

Not particularly, but it happens.

bloodfart ,

I solder new usb connectors and all manner of other connectors on to stuff all the time.

I’m at a 100% success rate getting data off stuff that just needs new connectors.

If you need data recovered, the literal best case scenario is that it’s just got a bad connector.

elucubra ,

Soldering is not the problem, unless its smd or tiny, its getting a non standard usb interface.

bloodfart ,

you mean in the case of a dead USB ic or something or do you mean the USB port isnt standard?

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