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brbposting , to Technology in Figma Disables AI App Design Tool After It Copied Apple’s Weather App

“Within hours of seeing this tweet, we identified the issue, which was related to the underlying design systems that were created. Ultimately it is my fault for not insisting on a better QA process for this work and pushing our team hard to hit a deadline for Config,” Figma CEO Dylan Field said on Twitter. Config is Figma’s annual conference where it showcased Make Design. “I have asked our team to temporarily disable the Make Design feature until we are confident we can stand behind its output. The feature will be disabled when our US based team wakes up in a few hours, and we will re-enable it when we have completed a full QA pass on the underlying design system.”

That’s one way to put this shocking tidbit.

Wrench , to Technology in Figma Disables AI App Design Tool After It Copied Apple’s Weather App

... OK?

Most people would design a very similar app if asked to design a weather app. Due diligence would be looking at existing apps in the space and making a decision on how much you want to deviate from the norm.

I once had to make an EPG for a TV app. EPGs are the channel schedules on any cable box interface.

It was stupidly complicated getting the navigation down solid. Took a long time. My boss asked at the end "this is great. Can we patent anything from it?"

Uh, no. Anyone with the same problem (navigating multiple channel schedules at once via arrow keys) is going to come up with something similar.

Same with weather apps. And Apple even has guidelines on app layouts for scrolling vs drilling down nested pages.

Seems like the AI did exactly what a human would do.

finley , to Technology in Figma Disables AI App Design Tool After It Copied Apple’s Weather App

That’s good of them. A lot of companies would just say, “fuck it”

simplejack ,
@simplejack@lemmy.world avatar

They never got that Adobe “fuck it” money, and Apple has lawyers for days.

finley ,

Or, just hear me out, maybe they’re just not assholes like Adobe.

slooopy_potatoe ,

I mean, they were totally OK with selling their whole company to Adobe. That's a pretty asshole move...

simplejack ,
@simplejack@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, I don’t know about that. Enterprise stuff they do with team, fig jam, and dev mode is pretty shady. They bate businesses with “free” features for a year, you can’t opt out of them, employees adopt them, then Figma starts charging once they’ve got their claws into you.

Figma’s enterprise tactics are some of the shadiest things I’ve ever seen from a vendor that I pay.

But, they have silly stickers in Fig Jam, so people like them.

ralphio , to World News in The Tribune exclusive: Eyeing stronger ties, PM Modi to visit Moscow on July 8

Modi better be careful lest he get the Imran Khan treatment from the US.

harrys_balzac , to World News in The Tribune exclusive: Eyeing stronger ties, PM Modi to visit Moscow on July 8

BRICS just keeps winning, doesn't it?

Brazil is led by a reactionary who understands nuance less than your average reddit troll, yet Lula is probably the best president they've had in 20 years.

Russia. Wants to rule Europe but it's military is only slightly more competent than a bunch of 12 year old boys with airsoft guns and a 12 pack of Monster drinks.

India is led by an ethnofascist who is using Hinduism to turn the country into a dictatorship. Will eat Russia to empower itself.

West Taiwan aka China. Should focus on taking eastern Russia instead of trying to cause a massive war by invading Taiwan.

South Africa. The least insane of the bunch.

If Tr*mp wins, the US will probably sign up. It'll have to be called ABRICS though cuz 'Murica First!

Badeendje , to World News in The Tribune exclusive: Eyeing stronger ties, PM Modi to visit Moscow on July 8
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

Stronger ties.. or better prices and other concessions. Once someone is down, you step on their neck... The strong mans credo.

India wants to setup their own military industrial complex. They probably have some outstanding orders for Russian kit that will not be fulfilled in the foreseeable future. So moving the outstanding orders over to buying oil and gas for cheap..

maxinstuff , to Technology in OpenAI and Anthropic are ignoring an established rule that prevents bots scraping online content
@maxinstuff@lemmy.world avatar

The real problem is robots.txt is an honour system in the first place - It's never been a defence against bad (or even simply poor faith) actors.

gaylord_fartmaster , to Technology in OpenAI and Anthropic are ignoring an established rule that prevents bots scraping online content

Am I missing something in this article? I'm not defending either company, but it doesn't seem like they actually have any evidence to confirm either is doing this.

The world's top two AI startups are ignoring requests by media publishers to stop scraping their web content for free model training data, Business Insider has learned.

It claims this, but then they say this about the source of this info:

TollBit, a startup aiming to broker paid licensing deals between publishers and AI companies, found several AI companies are acting in this way and informed certain large publishers in a Friday letter, which was reported earlier by Reuters. The letter did not include the names of any of the AI companies accused of skirting the rule.

So their source doesn't actually say which companies are doing this, but then they jump straight into this:

AI companies, including OpenAI and Anthropic, are simply choosing to "bypass" robots.txt in order to retrieve or scrape all of the content from a given website or page.

So they're just concluding that based on nothing and reporting it as fact?

ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

So cynical ... what makes you think "a startup aiming to broker paid licensing deals between publishers and AI companies" can't be trusted implicitly?

wagoner , to Technology in OpenAI and Anthropic are ignoring an established rule that prevents bots scraping online content

Novice web site owner/coder here: wondering if I can block them somehow via IP address in addition to robots.txt. Server firewall rule? Remember, I said I was a novice....

IndustryStandard OP ,

You can block an IP but first you would need to know which IPs are scrapers. And they could just use a VPN to bypass IP blocks.

balder1991 ,

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  • IndustryStandard OP ,

    Yes, the less expensive VPNs especially have a lot of users using the same IP addresses.

    You can get a VPN with private IP's but this is more expensive. For a company of OpenAI's size that would be a drop in the bucket though.

    conciselyverbose ,

    Google "spider trap website" or something.

    Grimy , (edited ) to Technology in OpenAI and Anthropic are ignoring an established rule that prevents bots scraping online content

    TollBit, a startup aiming to broker paid licensing deals between publishers and AI companies.

    If we can't scrape data freely, it instantly kills the open source scene. These regulation only benefit companies like OpenAi and Google, who will happily pay an exorbitant price to have exclusive rights on data they don't already own and get a monopoly in return, as well as the companies who own this data like Reddit, Getty, Adobe, etc.

    Getting a dime was never in the cards for individuals except maybe the outliers like GRR who can throw their weight around.

    Almost all regulation being proposed only benefit big AI companies and are meant to kill any competition. They are flooding the media with bad sentiment articles to manipulate people so they can tell congress their constituents want this.

    Gutless2615 ,

    Voice of reason

    conciselyverbose ,

    Exactly.

    If you can't train using public, copyrighted material, Disney has a hell of a model and their monopoly over the entertainment industry goes from huge to insurmountable. No "little guys" gain anything. It's regulatory capture, nothing more.

    young_broccoli , to Technology in OpenAI and Anthropic are ignoring an established rule that prevents bots scraping online content

    So, the same thing media websites do when they ignore my "do not track" request?

    homesweethomeMrL , to Technology in OpenAI and Anthropic are ignoring an established rule that prevents bots scraping online content

    Yes, they’re evil. Was there a question?

    PythagreousTitties , to Technology in OpenAI and Anthropic are ignoring an established rule that prevents bots scraping online content

    Oh boy, if they're ignoring robots txt, then I better ...add a useless link at the bottom of every comment I make. That'll really show them!

    cbarrick , (edited )

    This comment is copyrighted by me and licensed to the public under the terms of the CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0. If you intend to use this comment for commercial purposes, you must secure a commercial license from me, which will cost you a lot of money. If you violate the terms of the CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 without securing an appropriate license, I will send my army of lawyers that I totally definitely have to defend my copyright against you in court.

    SturgiesYrFase ,
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    Exactly, I never understood what people thought they would achieve by putting the link to that in their comments. Like, AI firms are absolutely willing to skim through copyrighted works of artists, backed by a much stronger license, what makes you think linking that will achieve anything. Except maybe poisoning the LLM well.
    Hey, there's a thought. If we all just put that at the end of every comment, I wonder if GPT6 will figure that's just how people talk and end all it's responses with it?

    rebelsimile ,

    All they’re going to do is teach the AI that sometimes people end posts with useless disclaimers.

    Zoboomafoo ,
    @Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net avatar

    They figure no one person will have the means to sue or the ability to prove that their data was scraped.

    Corkyskog ,

    Could we take em to small claims for like $500 a comment? That would be a devastating movement lol

    CheeseNoodle ,

    I've been buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo trying to remember to put some nonsense somewhere in my comments every time in order to make the LLMs think this is how people talk.

    SturgiesYrFase ,
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    That's quite quiet quintessentially quiescent and clearly colloquially colour clever.

    Hossenfeffer ,
    @Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk avatar

    I'm anaspeptic, phrasmotic, even compunctuous to have read such pericombobulation.

    match ,
    @match@pawb.social avatar

    This media provided under the CC-Mine-Now license. You may remix this comment for use in your AI feeding but if you do I own your company now and all proceeds go to me, and you indemnify me against anything I want to do to your company.

    555_1 , to Technology in OpenAI and Anthropic are ignoring an established rule that prevents bots scraping online content

    If you put it online, you gave it away. If someone reads it and then uses that information to answer questions for someone else without giving credit to the author, that’s called a conversation. As long as no copyrights are being abused, there is no problem and this is just corporations upset with what they think is piracy, pandering to people who are still on the fence about AI.

    Maddier1993 ,

    Except we shouldn't be giving corporations same rights as individuals. Doing so leads to corporate feudalism.

    555_1 ,

    So it’s okay for me to pirate something but not a corporation?

    IndustryStandard OP ,

    OpenAI has a clause that one cannot train their own AI on OpenAI chatbots

    If it was all a giant open source project I'm sure many would be more accommodating to your argument.

    555_1 ,

    So if it’s open source, it’s okay?

    Neato , to Technology in OpenAI and Anthropic are ignoring an established rule that prevents bots scraping online content
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    Generative AIs are thieves and this is just more evidence.

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