inb4_FoundTheVegan

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 3 days ago

Yeah but batman is literally just as crazy as the villains he fights. Gotham is just glad he has a weird justice obsession instead of a weird clown or scarecrow kink. That's more interesting than superman just being perfect at everything. I've been reading through "Alan Moore in the DC universe" and like, each of the superman stories are just so one note. He is good at everything, until a random mcguffin comes up and then another charcter comes along to pick it off the ground, and then Supes beats up whoever brought the evil space flower to him in the first place.

I'll be intrigued to see how Gunn handles him too, but in a life time of reading comics the only superman stories I found interesting was elseworld stuff red son and kingdom come where they treat him as a concept more than a charcter.

Main universe or any of the movies? Meh.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 4 days ago

Trans woman here, I've seen both sides.

A small percentage of the men's room washes their hands and a small percentage of the women's room DOESN'T wash their hands. It's a night and day difference.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 3 days ago

I mean, decades of using one? And the mockery I received by men I got for washing my own hands? I have had family members and numerous classmates tell me that washing your hands is just admitting you peed on them.

Of course my experiences are anctedotal, but for me, it was a quite noticeable difference when I started using the ladies room. I'm not trying to make a definitive statement, absolutely there are men who do reguarly wash their hands, but there is also a very large majority of men who don't. From my experience, that's not the case with people in the women's room.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 3 days ago

US, lived mostly up and down the west coast.

restaurants, museums, bars, and gyms.

And these are literally the examples I would've given. To be fair, it's been years since I've been in a mens room. But, I know it's common for most guys to walk straight out.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 6 days ago (edited 5 days ago)

“If someone is going to try and blackmail me with advertising? Blackmail me with money? Go fuck yourself. Go fuck yourself. Is that clear? Hey Bob, if you’re in the audience. That’s how I feel, don’t advertise.”

• Elon, 2023

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 8 days ago

I don't eat meat because it causes suffering in another. Plants have no concept of pain without a brain, nervous system or even nerve endings. So to me, the question becomes if the lab grown meat was ever attached to a brain that could feel suffering.

Now as far i understand it, lab grown meat isn't nessecarily grown in isolation from a cow. But in a solution primarily compromised of blood extracted from living cows. That's without question better than killing a creature, buuuuuuut we all know that when profits are involved the health of a animal is not prioritized.

So it really depends, while I don't miss meat, once lab grown becomes widely available I'll make my choice depending on the exact process of how it reached the grocery store.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 7 days ago

No. It's really not. I know the study you are going to link with the clickbait title that "plants feel pain", but it's unscientific garbage.

When you cut a plant, it only reacts with a secretion. That's not sentience, it has no concept of pain because it literally does not have the required parts to feel it. Pain requires a nerve ending to feel the sensation, a brain to process that sensation in to an threat and a system to connect those two organs. Plants have none of this.

Yes plants release a pheromone when they are cut, but to extrapolate that to pain is a wild leap. If I cut an animal, they bleed, they yell, and they either run away or attack me, they generally do the same for their children. Exactly like humans react when cut. It's impossible to disprove if plants have some other totally radically different type of intelligence we just don't understand yet, but there is no evidence to suggest that is the case. I am making my choices based off evidence, not "idk, what if it was true". It's the same reason I know the earth is round and not flat, evidence not vibes.

It is intellectually dishonest to say that a potato and a pig perceive the world in the same way.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 6 days ago (edited 5 days ago)

If you can argue that the line is between animals and plants, then someone else can argue the line is between animals and humans.

See, this is where you are just throwing your hands up and giving up on an sort of ethics. Because it's theoretically possible for plants to feel pain then there is no reason to act moral when it comes to animals who we KNOW feel pain.

It's like saying "porn with adults is harmful, but so is porn with children, who is to say where the line is? It's an open question that is all perspective, so consume whatever you like". When we know for a fact that sexual abuse of children causes suffering as opposed to what consenting adults do for a job.

Saying plants feel pain is motivated reasoning to call vegans hypocrites, not to actually produce a better world. I did not message you with my beliefs, you messaged me with whataboutism. 99% of the food humans eat is living in some sense (aside from minerals like salt), yeast in my bread is alive in some sense, but comparing that life to an animal as a reason it may not be matter? That it's all perspective? Well then why not draw the line around cannibalism of anyone under a certain IQ. If consciousness is such an open question, then who is to say anyone is real except for myself? If I hurt another human, who is to say that they feel at all? It could all be simulation from a certain perspective so who cares?

This sort of "what if" and "it depends" whataboutism doesn't actually help anyone. I didn't bring veganism to you, you brought this to me. This is just naval gazing because calling vegan hypocrites makes you more secure in your own choices. You're not saying anything of value,

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 6 days ago

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hypocrites who call out others while justifying their own ethical blind spots are typically more interested in self-righteousness than actually improving the world.

Exactly. I agree completely, but scroll up and remember I didn't call ANYONE out in my original comment. I came to this thread because my perspective was asked for in the title. You came to me with a "but plants" trying to call MY beliefs out. So think whatever you want, but frankly, leave me the hell alone. This isn't a discussion I asked for, it's not on topic and you're not saying anything interesting.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 17 days ago

Already has. Creator of the app doesn't past the screening test.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 17 days ago

Personally, I think you're really close to the answer but with an important distinction. The great filter is an hyper aggressive species that does not want to deal with a potential cold war with a different species with technology as advanced as their own. They already launched their doomsday armageddon weapon at us after detecting our existence, probably from something like our farthest satille, Voyager 1.

It could take generations for the bomb heading to our sun or stealth asteroid heading directly for us to actually connect. But it's arguably in their best interest not to even chance us becoming militarily on par with them.

Statistically there is alien life out there somewhere, and whichever one got to interplanetary weapons first would have everything to lose by allowing an equal to exist.

My question for you is, why do you want a female perspective on this? Idk, doesn't seem like something that gender would effect.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 17 days ago

Because idc what you are feeling, I don't want to touch a random drunk guy. Sorry, not sorry.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 17 days ago

😂

I do not. Heck, the thread is about asking the other sex, I wouldn't have answered if I was a dude.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 16 days ago

Sorts seems like you know that most women say the bear and you are upset about it. Do you actually want to understand why?

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 16 days ago

I understand most of every side of every argument because I’m not a moron.

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This sort of arrogant lack of self awareness sounds pretty moronic to me.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 16 days ago

Well three big reasons, it's statistically less likely to be an incident, has less terrible results if DOES become a problem and the personal experiences of women. So just to be clear, the hypothetical is

Would you rather be alone in the woods with a random man or a random bear?

And the vast majority of women, myself included, pick the random bear. Of course we realize that bears are dangerous creatures, on average they attack about 40 people a year worldwide. Primarily hikers that get too close to a mother bear and it attacks to protect its cubs.

Now compare that with the statistics of sexual violence. A few things should jump out, primarily that 1 in 5 women experince sexual assault at some point in their lives. One in three victims are minors and just over half of those attacking the crime are known to the victim. It's hard to compare those numbers straight across, because per year and in lifetime aren't quite the same thing, BUT it's also very clear that it's WAY WAY WAY more likely that a young woman will be harmed by men they know. Exponentially more so than they are attack by bears.

(and it's worth nothing that most experts agree those numbers are likely lower than reality due to social pressures and shame)

If I were hypothetically alone in the woods with a bear, I would know that so long as I leave the bear alone, its likely to leave me alone. If I mess with it or it's cubs, I'm liable to have a problem but if I focus on getting home then it's likely not a problem.

But if it were a random man that knew we were alone in the woods? Well, not only is the man faster and stronger than me, he is also way more likely to harm me than a bear. If I attempt to evade a human, it's way less assured that I could get home safely. Not only is he way smarter and more motivated to find me than a bear, but he also runs the risk of being sadistic. Even in a worse case scenario, the worst thing a bear can do is simply kill me. But some men are liable to keep me alive simply for their gratification and then eventually kill me. To speak nothing of sadists who will specfically enjoy my suffering. That's not a risk with the bear. Getting the worst bear in the world means minutes of pain if I am reckless enough to be near it, but getting the worst man means hours/days/weeks of suffering from a captor that is much harder to escape from. Regardless of my actions, age, appearance or relationship to the man.

And let's say a man/bear does assault me in the woods and I escape back to civilization. Everyone will believe me when I say a bear attacked me. But not so it I say a man. That will prompt questions of

"what were you wearing?"

"Did you lead him on?"

"He said it was consentual, you might be lying because you regret it."

Mosy women have not been raped, BUT most women have had a man try something explict with them while alone. Be it alone in an apartment, home, classroom or any other place. So when the hypothetical is total isolation from society, laws and repurcussions. When it's just me alone in the woods, the bear is a safer bet on every single factor.

Try to answer the question with your little sister in mind, would you rather her be alone in the woods with a stranger man or a random bear? Because as I said before, tragically, 1 in 3 victims are minors, how many many men would we this as their golden opportunity for SA without repercussions? Would those men seek her out? Or would you rather the subject contuine being a wild animal in the woods that doesn't care your sister even exists.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 16 days ago

Well, it depends.

• If you're a non-binary person, we'll eliminate the non and that's any binary trans or cis person.

• If you are genderfluid person, then I suppose it would be gendersolid? So probably any cis person?

• If you're an agender person, then your opposite would obviously be pangender , you can be a lack to their all.

• And if you are simply a person, well then that would be xenogender!

Or vice versa! ♥ 💕

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 1 month ago (edited 1 month ago)

“Uniting Atari and Intellivision after 45 years ends the longest-running console war in history,”

Sure, but they both lost the war long ago. This is just some archeologist coming along to display both their bones in a museum hoping to boost gift shop sales.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 1 month ago

Speaking of Tommy Tallarico, the Hbomberguy video on him was hilarious, sad and eye opening.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 1 month ago

Fucking horseshit.

These drugs aren't dangerous, and for those that seek them it's often life saving. This isn't "illegal prescriptions" like oxy for a high that fuels drug trade. Seriously, there is no gain for humanity by making life MORE difficult for trans folk. Especially in the UK where the wait list for a prescription is literally YEARS long.

It's super duper disengenerous to call these illegal drug. Their medicine for people with gender dysphoria, and further restricting their access to it is nothing short of cruelty.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 1 month ago

Which ignores the context that getting them with a prescription is becoming a functional immposiblity for trans people in the UK. I support the concept that prescription drugs should not be for sale, BUT it is disengenerous that the prescription process is arbitrarily years long and constantly under attack.

My trans friend who lives in the UK has been forced to get her medication from the web because she has been on a waiting list to get a prescription for over three years now! She actively wants someone with a medical degree involved in her care, but that's literally immposible for her, despite her well paying job. It's easy enough to say "don't break the law" while ignoring the people harmed.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 1 month ago

Forgetting that the law does not equal morality, and that these harmless medications are blocked from a 3+ years long wait list to get legally. No trans person WANTS to use the web for their healthcare, they WANT to have access to regular blood panels and those holding degrees, but in the UK that is simply not possible due to arbitrary meaningless political attacks.

Take your "just follow the law" argument all the way to legalized slavery and realize how ignorant, privileged and foolish you sound.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 1 month ago

I clicked the link and was really surprised not be on the onion.

inb4_FoundTheVegan OP , 1 month ago

Oh no you're not. I edited it in immediately after I saw your comment but then got busy irl and didn't have time to reply until now.

inb4_FoundTheVegan OP , 1 month ago

a feminist who posted a rage bait question

You should read the link up top, because it sounds like you're making a lot of assumptions. It wasn't a rage bait at all, but a response to video of taunting a bear in the woods about how taunting a man would be more dangerous.

And then it turned in to a bunch of different people discussing variations of the scenario.

inb4_FoundTheVegan OP , 1 month ago

And you're WILDLY underestimating the rates of bear attacks versus rape, murder and assault.

One out of six women will experience some sort of sexual assault, versus about 40 bear attacks per year. A bear is predictable, it will mostly just go about its business, but a man that knows we are alone in the woods?

inb4_FoundTheVegan OP , 1 month ago

Haaaa! Love it! ♥

inb4_FoundTheVegan OP , 1 month ago

Holy shit...

Wtf is wrong with you? Go to therapy.

inb4_FoundTheVegan OP , 1 month ago

Unorthodox, yet valid!

inb4_FoundTheVegan OP , 1 month ago

confess to being a monster

Your words, not mine. This isn't about admitting anything, but understanding the lived experiences of women. You are literally acting out the meme here.

inb4_FoundTheVegan OP , 1 month ago

No, it seems that your point is that women should not talk about their reasons and fears about being alone in the woods with a man they don't know if it makes random men in the comment section feel attacked.

inb4_FoundTheVegan OP , 1 month ago

There is no winning! All the "not all men" and "that's misandry" dorks show up every single time a woman warns others to be careful around strangers.

As always, what women think needs to be filtered through what any random man can stand to hear. Women can't discuss even their physical safety if it hurts a man's feelings.

inb4_FoundTheVegan OP , 1 month ago

You're literally saying death is better than men.

That is LITERALLY wrong. Absolutely not what I or women are saying.

Women in this thread seem to think otherwise which is mind boggling.

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Just forget about the man for a second...she would pick death? What?

You are changing the premises so you can feel insulted by it.

It is safer to be in the woods with a random bear, than a random man. Not WOULD RATHER BE ATTACKED BY, its that the statically speaking the bear is probably going to mind its own business, while a man who knows we are alone can seek us out. Women feel that a random man is more likely to cause harm us harm, than a bear existing in the woods.

You're entirely missing the point of the discussion.

inb4_FoundTheVegan OP , 1 month ago

ragebait scenario

Actually read the link.

does not like being compared to wild animals

Literally not what is happening.

Y'all in such a rush to be so personally offended you aren't actually caring about what is being said.

inb4_FoundTheVegan OP , 1 month ago

And then tons of guys decided that women talking about their fears of being alone in the woods with a strange man was an attack on men and now are calling the entire discussion misandrist.

There is a long rich tradition of women discussing the effects of sexism only to have it be dismissed as sexism by men. Similar to critical race theory, white people being upset about the discussion of racism.

inb4_FoundTheVegan OP , 1 month ago

Blah blah blah.

Feminism destroys the family. You're talking points are straight out of the the 40s.

inb4_FoundTheVegan OP , 1 month ago

Because it's an easy answer. They would rather misrepsent the hypothetical and try to change the discussion instead of actually grapple with the reality women face.

inb4_FoundTheVegan OP , 1 month ago

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Tell yourself whatever makes you feel the most persecuted I guess.

people fantasizing about me being a predator

Literally no one has said that. You're the only one placing yourself in the place of a predator. Like seriously, how hard is it to understand that this is how women feel about being isolated with men they don't know and not ALL MEN EVERYWHERE or YOU SPECIFICALLY.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 1 month ago

But did Netayahu condemn Hamas while getting them funds?!?

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 1 month ago

The advertisements for the game didn't mention it at all. But as soon as the game starts I was like "Wait is this Whidby Island"?

Which actually kind of backfired on me since for work I had to regularly drive through Whidby late at night. Some of the games monsters were hard not to think about alone at 3 AM. 😂

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 1 month ago

If that's what the devs said, sure. But the game does literally start with you taking a ferry to an island which always see very whidby/orcas/san juan.

But I'll admit to my bias, I was driving through whidby at night on a regular basis when I played the game so they always seemed linked to me.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 1 month ago (edited 1 month ago)

Full hair and makeup, sparkly dress that shows a lot, go to a trendy bar with my friends and get blackout ass drunk without worrying about protecting my drink all night and knowing I can walk home by myself.

In the morning I would nurse the hangover while ordering the biggest ass teddy 🐻 bear 🐻 that will fit through my door as a memento.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 1 month ago

Virtue signaling. It's important to them that everyone knows they don't care.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 1 month ago

Jurgis recollected how, when he had first come to Packingtown, he had stood and watched the hog-killing, and thought how cruel and savage it was, and come away congratulating himself that he was not a hog; now his new acquaintance showed him that a hog was just what he had been-one of the packers' hogs. What they wanted from a hog was all the profits that could be got out of him; and that was what they wanted from the workingman, and also that was what they wanted from the public. What the hog thought of it, and what he suffered, were not considered; and no more was it with labor, and no more with the purchaser of meat. That was true everywhere in the world, but it was especially true in Packingtown; there seemed to be something about the work of slaughtering that tended to ruthlessness and ferocity-it was literally the fact that in the methods of the packers a hundred human lives did not balance a penny of profit.

• Upton Sinclair

I read The Jungle a few months ago and its aged so depressingly well. Nothing has changed, it was obvious what was happening long ago, but we've done nothing but watch it get worse.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 1 month ago

it was influential.

But only on one topic. Yes the FDA was created in large part from outrage over food condtions described in the book. But that really is only one chapter of the text, the majority of it deals with the exploration of workers in ALL sorts of industries (not just food), how preadatory home loans lead to finical ruins, how voting systems are rigged and how our policing system only produces more experienced criminals, not reform.

The last 2-3 chapters are explicitly socialist talking points that are still being said, for good reason, today. If the book was as influential as Sinclair wanted it to be, then we would've seen FAR FAR FAR more than the FDA.

I mean, heck, reread the passage I copied in. It's not really about food.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 1 month ago

intentionally exaggerating

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You can "uh actually" my phrasing if you really want to, but playing tone police is to miss my actual point how these are long standing and well known problem that Sinclair spoke about extensively.

If you don't have anything meaningful to contribute to the conversation, it's okay to just keep scrolling.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 1 month ago

Jesus. Leave me alone. You aren't saying anything of value. Don't make me block you over this.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 1 month ago

Yeah but that's a different scenario all togther. Not all men are dangerous rapists, obviously. But enough are prone to assault and SA that it's statistically safer to have some random bear (possibly grizzly or teddy) than some random man. If you don't feel like the random guy walking down the street is dangerous, that's probably because random men on the street don't regularly harass you, which is unfortunately still a very common occurance to most women.