A.K.A u/hucifer

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kabe ,
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Sorry, as per the rules of this community you're not allowed to see them as human.

*Sympathy for enemy combatants in any form is prohibited.

kabe ,
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Dolce et Decorum est - Wilfred Owen. A grim, anti-war masterpiece written by a soldier fighting in the trenches in WW1

Ozymandias - Percy Shelley. A reminder of human transience and hubris

Do Not Go Gentle into That Good Night - Dylan Thomas. Helps me to endure when things seem bleak or hopeless.

kabe ,
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There are some good points here, but I think defederation should always be a last resort and especially so in this case, given that we are talking about lemmy.ml here.

Since it was the former flagship server (in activity, at least) before LW came along, there are still many thriving, non-political communities hosted there. To cut them all off would be a net-negative to the average Lemmy user, I would argue.

That's not to say that I agree with the actions of the .ml admins, or think that opening a dialogue with them about moderation policies isn't a great idea, of course; I just think it's overall a better approach to let the individual user figure out for themselves which communities/instances they want to engage with and which ones they want to avoid.

kabe ,
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but, these communities come along with an assortment of lies and Propaganda.

So block those individual communities that post what you consider propaganda. Hell, even block the whole instance - that option is readily available to you.

At which point the negative outweigh the positive?

With a server like, say, Hexbear, this would be an easy calculation. Defederate and what does the average user miss out on? Not a whole lot. On the other hand, .ml has a wide variety of technology, open source, gaming, hobby, etc. communities that don't even touch on politics.

I regularly visit many of them, so for me at least, it would take a lot more on the negative scale to even break even.

kabe ,
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To what extent is this actually an issue? What examples do you have so far?

kabe ,
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Yes I have, which is why I'm asking. While I agree that the admin response was totally out of all proportion, this is not evidence of either of the things you previously claimed.

If you're going to justify defederation based on non-political communities being policed and injected with propaganda, you need to provide some concrete examples of that happening.

kabe ,
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I've seen it in the obvious communities like [email protected], sure. But in non-political ones? Not once.

kabe ,
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I appreciate the effort you've put in here, but still I do not see grounds for defederation. You've just given me three examples from a single community that is obviously political.

Look, the question isn't "are there communities on lemmy.ml that are ideologically censored", because of course there are; the question I am putting to you is "is the average user going about their business and not actively engaging in politically-oriented communities affected enough to warrant the largest Lemmy instance completely defederating?" I would still say no, personally.

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