Indiana University's "Liberation Commencement" was a celebration of the students' brave commitment to fighting powerful institutions and their involvement in challenging Zionism and the Palestinian genocide.
If someone is against "Zionism," then they're basically saying they're against a Jewish state in what many believe are their "ancestral" lands. Maybe people don't understand what Zionism actually refers to.
So, what was wrong with creating a homeland for Jews in Palestine? I agree that Israel should never have come about because of the meddling of Europeans and Americans, all of whom probably felt guilty at their failure to accept Jewish refugees from Europe. But now that there is an Israel, are you saying it should be dissolved?
So Israel should be dissolved because you don't like the fact that the Jews have a homeland? Europeans colonized the Americas and murdered or drove out or killed by disease and subjugated millions of Native Americans. Native Americans are still on reservations. Maybe we should just give the U.S. back to the Native Americans? Actually, that would be fine with me, since they'd probably do a much better job of governing than the GOP would.
Did you never hear of any terrorist attacks on Israel in the past 80 years? If you were continually attacked, would you roll over and say, "OK, we'll all leave now and you can have our land back?" If there had been no terrorist attacks on the state of Israel as it was drawn in 1948, do you think the Israelis would have been fighting in Gaza now?
I absolutely do NOT think America and Europe, Canada and Australia should "look good." Genocide has been committed by "Christian white people" for centuries.
If Israel had never been subject to terrorist attacks in the years since Partition, do you think they would have invaded the land beyond Israel's original borders?
I'd really like an answer to that question. I'm curious. If Israel had been left alone and never suffered ANY terrorist attacks from Hamas or Hezbollah or anyone else, would Israel have attacked, invaded, committed genocide in Gaza and elsewhere?
Ah, now the personal attacks begin. I don't agree with you, or I question you, so suddenly I have a "reading disability." Try reading my responses again, and then tell me that. Not ONCE have I supported or even indicated, any support for Israel's genocide in Gaza. I don't defend it--it's indefensible. But that's not what this discussion has been about.
You think I don't know? My question stands: IF ISRAEL HAD NEVER BEEN SUBJECTED TO TERRORIST ATTACKS SINCE PARTITION IN 1948, WOULD ISRAEL HAVE "ACQUIRED" THE TERRITORY IN WHICH SETTLERS WERE ATTACKED ON OCTOBER 7, 2023?
Or would Israel still have the same borders it had right after Partition?
NO, I AM NOT DEFENDING ISRAEL'S ACTIONS IN GAZA. NETANYAHU AND THE RIGHT WING IN THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT NEED TO GO. NETANYAHU NEEDS TO BE ARRESTED AND REMOVED FROM POWER. THE U.S. SHOULD STOP ALL MILITARY AID TO ISRAEL UNTIL THERE IS A CEASE FIRE AND ISRAEL WITHDRAWS FROM GAZA. THE HOSTAGES SHOULD BE RETURNED, NOW.
What on earth does Hamas gain by keeping the remaining hostages?
Jews were living there, too. It was a "logical" place to put more Jews and to alleviate guilt over the Holocaust by giving the European Jews their own state. The creation of Israel was driven by Europeans, and while its creation was unfortunate, it happened. So, given that, why the terrorism over the years? I don't approve of any kind of "state" that has a "state" religion, be it Christian, Jewish, or Muslim. But since there already are Christian and Muslim countries with those as state religions, why not Israel for the Jews? After all, the only reason they ended up all over the place (the Diaspora) was because they were kicked out of their homeland to begin with.
I'm not arguing with that. OTOH, the root of the problem is that there were NO "agreed upon borders," since Israel was forced upon Palestinians by Europeans. Therefore, even if Israel was shrunken back to its "original" Partition borders, there will still be terrorism against Israel because according to Muslims, there should NOT BE an Israel at all.
Having lived on the Navajo Reservation for a brief time, I can tell you that there were quite a few Whites that the Navajos would have happily kicked off the reservation. I suspect that's also true in Canada. Are there reservations for Native Americans in Mexico? I didn't think so. How about the Maori?
Wouldn't it be possible to consider Israel a "reservation" for Jews? Jews are obviously not safe anyplace else.
You are talking about protesters against the war. AGAIN, NO ONE is defending Netanyahu or his cronies in the government. AGAIN, are you an American Jew?
