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While China has warned the West against 'decoupling', the country’s censorship system is designed for the purpose of isolation, report says ( globalvoices.org )

When the US House of Representatives passed the legislation that would force ByteDance to sell TikTok, a popular video app, to an American company or face being banned in the US, citing national security concerns, the Chinese government criticized the move as “an act of bullying.” Yet, ironically, TikTok is also unavailable...

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Borders in cyberspace is the future. There are increased efforts to regulate the internet everywhere. Think copyright, age verification, the GDPR, or even anti-CSAM laws. It's all about making sure that information is only available to people who are permitted to access it. China is really leading the way here.

We do not agree with China's regulations, but that only means that we need border controls. Data must be checked for regulatory compliance with local laws.

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I just described what's going on. The world outside of China or Russia is going slower but the direction is the same.

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The solution for capitalism is more capitalism? Have you never played monopoly?

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Private ownership ≠ capitalism.

Right. It's private ownership of capital; aka the means of production. You're saying that data should be owned because it can be used productively. That's exactly capitalism for capitalism's sake.

This is a typical economically right-wing approach. There is a problem, so you just create a new kind of property and call it done. The magic of the market takes care of it, or something. I don't understand why one would expect a different result from trying the same thing.

Top EU Court Says There’s No Right To Online Anonymity, Because Copyright Is More Important ( www.techdirt.com )

The key problem is that copyright infringement by a private individual is regarded by the court as something so serious that it negates the right to privacy. It’s a sign of the twisted values that copyright has succeeded on imposing on many legal systems. It equates the mere copying of a digital file with serious crimes that...

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The background is that French law requires ISPs to retain the IPs of their customer for some time. That way, an IP address can be associated with a customer.

If I download music in a Starbucks, can they fine the Starbucks CEO then?

A CEO is an employee. You generally can't sue employees for this sort of thing. It may be possible to sue the company as a whole for enabling the copyright infringement, but that's not to do with this case. Perhaps in the future, operators of WiFi-hotspots will be required to use something like Youtube's Content ID system.

Anyway I hope I hope online artists, and authors are able to use this to sue AI companies for stealing their copyrighted works.

They can use this to go after "pirates". It's got nothing to do with AI.

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Another rubbish hit piece on open source.

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cases where someone attempts to claim that a Work they found on Cara isn’t copyrighted because a copyright notice wasn’t explicitly stated

In what country is that a thing?

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Does it seem odd... This is a crowd that is all about "hands off muh property". And yet they see nothing suspicious about someone giving them a free service.

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It's not. It's supposed to target certain open source AIs (Stable Diffusion specifically).

Latent diffusion models work on compressed images. That takes less resources. The compression is handled by a type of AI called VAE. For this attack to work, you must have access to the specific VAE that you are targeting.

The image is subtly altered so that the compressed image looks completely different from the original. You can only do that if you know what the compression AI does. Stable Diffusion is a necessary part of the Glaze software. It is ineffective against any closed source image generators that have trained their own VAE (or equivalent).

This kind of attack is notoriously fickle and thwarted by even small changes. It's probably not even very effective against the intended target.

If you're all about intellectual property, it kinda makes sense that freely shared AI is your main enemy.

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It doesn't work like that. The monkey selfie case did not set any kind of precedence. Animals cannot own property, including copyrights.

For a work to be under copyright in the US, it has to be an "original work of authorship" and contain "a modicum of creativity". Some countries allow broader copyrights. Photographs that are accidentally triggered are public domain. CCTV footage is a gray area. Setting up a camera and luring animals into triggering it, might produce copyrighted images. A court would have to decide if the individual circumstances constitute authorship and a modicum of creativity. An animal snagging a camera and triggering it certainly doesn't. The monkey selfie case did nothing to advance the law.

A public domain image is just that. Attempting to assert ownership over one is either an error or fraud. I don't know what the US rules are when a rights-owner can't be found. I doubt that you can just become the default owner of some property just by writing something on a website.

Missing mother found dead inside 16-foot-long python after it swallowed her whole in Indonesia ( www.cbsnews.com )

A woman has been found dead inside the belly of a snake after it swallowed her whole in central Indonesia, a local official said Saturday, marking at least the fifth person to be devoured by a python in the country since 2017....

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I have spent a disturbing amount of time trying to decide if it was necessary to clarify that she was found dead inside the python. I believe that, yes, it was. Make of that what you will.

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2 things:

“more than half the length of a bowling lane and makes this snake longer than a giraffe is tall.”

Do Americans really consider this helpful information?

marking at least the fifth person to be devoured by a python in the country since 2017.

The Wikipedia page on reticulated pythons needs to be updated.

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Huh. I thought that one was the one that might work, as everyone knows that Americans go bowling all the time. I guess Americans go to the zoo more often than I realized. Or is it something indirect? Like the kid's bedroom window, which they always use to sneak past the parents, is 1 standard giraffe high? Would be nice for them to be able to feed the giraffes when the circus comes to town.

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Yes. I think you could say that that being found inside a python pretty much implies being found dead. (There is this one guy, though, but he failed to get himself eaten.)

However, I think it's just not sufficiently obvious to most people.

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The California bill was co-sponsored by the Center for AI Safety (CAIS), a San Francisco-based non-profit run by computer scientist Dan Hendrycks, who is the safety adviser to Musk’s AI start-up, xAI. CAIS has close ties to the effective altruism movement, which was made famous by jailed cryptocurrency executive Sam Bankman-Fried.

Ahh, yes. Elon Musk, paragon of consumer protection. Let's just trust his safety guy.

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I had a short look at the text of the bill. It's not as immediately worrying as I feared, but still pretty bad.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202320240SB1047

Here's the thing: How would you react, if this bill required all texts that could help someone "hack" to be removed from libraries? Outrageous, right? What if we only removed cybersecurity texts from libraries if they were written with the help of AI? Does it now become ok?

What if the bill "just" sought to prevent such texts from being written? Still outrageous? Well, that is what this bill is trying to do.

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The bill is supposed to prevent speech. It is the intended effect. I'm not saying it's a slippery slope.

I chose to focus on cybersecurity, because that is where it is obviously bad. In other areas, you can reasonably argue that some things should be classified for "national security". If you prevent open discussion of security problems, you just make everything worse.

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This bill targets AI systems that are like the ChatGPT series. These AIs produce text, images, audio, video, etc... IOW they are dangerous in the same way that a library is dangerous. A library may contain instructions on making bombs, nerve gas, and so on. In the future, there will likely be AIs that can also give such instructions.

Controlling information or access to education isn't exactly a good guy move. It's not compatible with a free or industrialized country. Maybe some things need to be secret for national security, but that's not really what this bill is about.

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Restricting speech isn’t in itself bad,

That's certainly not the default opinion. Why do you think freedom of expression is a thing?

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I don't see much harm in a "kill switch", so If it makes people happy... But it is sci-fi silliness. AI is software. Malfunctioning software can be dangerous if it controls, say, heavy machinery. But we don't have kill switches for software. We have kill switches for heavy machinery, because that is what needs to be turned off to stop harm.

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AI is already regulated. Just because something is new (to the public) does not mean that laws don't apply to it. We don't need regulation for the sake of regulation.

There's a lot of AI regulation that may become necessary one day. For example, maybe we should have a right to an AI assistant, like there is a right to legal counsel today. Should we be thinking about the minimum compute to assign to public defense AIs?

This is for models that cost 100 million dollars to train.

Or take a certain amount of compute. Right now, this covers no models. Between progress and inflation, it will eventually cover all models. At some point between no and then, the makers of such laws will be cursed as AI illiterate fools, like we curse computer illiterate boomers today.


Think about this example you gave: Cars are regulated

We regulate cars, and implicitly the software in it. We do not regulate software in the abstract. We don't monitor mechanics or engineers. People are encouraged to learn and to become educated.

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And which restriction of free speech illustrating my previous comment would is even remotely controversial, do you think?

All of these regularly cause controversy.

I’ve actually stated explicitly before why I believe it is a thing: to protect political dissent from being criminalized. Why do you think it is a thing?

That's not quite what I meant. Take the US 2nd amendment; the right to bear arms. It is fairly unique. But freedom of expression is ubiquitous as a guaranteed right (on paper, obviously). Why are ideas from the 1st amendment ubiquitous 200 years later, but not from the 2nd?

My answer is, because you cannot have a prosperous, powerful nation without freedom of information. For one, you can't have high-tech without an educated citizenry sharing knowledge. I don't know of any country that considers freedom of expression limited to political speech. It's one of the more popular types of speech to cause persecution. Even in the more liberal countries, calls to overthrow the government or secede tends to be frowned on.

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270GB of mostly node modules?

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In case anyone missed the hubbub: [ETA: This is from March 2024; unconnected to this hack/leak]

https://apnews.com/article/new-york-times-wordle-clones-takedown-dmca-35d32b7548f7312ea74a2065b2cd31a6

The Times has filed several Digital Millennium Copyright Act, or DMCA, takedown notices to developers of Wordle-inspired games, which cited infringement on the Times’ ownership of the Wordle name, as well as its look and feel — such as the layout and color scheme of green, gray and yellow tiles.

Numerous impacted developers have also taken to social media to share their frustrations. Many said that their games, which range from Wordle-like offerings in other languages to more guessing games, would be taken down as a result.

Still, Brauneis said he believes the Times’ arguments for Wordle copyright infringement are on “a little bit shaky ground” for several reasons. Rules of a game, for example, are not covered by copyright — and that can include the layout of the game itself, he said.

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I doubt this has to do with "powerful people". A DDOS attack does not remove anything from the net, but only makes it temporarily hard to reach.

There are firms that specialize in suppressing information on the net. They use SEO tricks to get sites down-ranked, as well as (potentially fraudulent) copyright and GDPR request.

There must be any number of "little guys" who hate the Internet Archive. They scrape copyrighted stuff and personal data "without consent" and even disregard robots.txt. Lemmy is full of people who think that people should go to jail for that sort of thing.

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I don't think so, reading their terms.

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Not exactly ancestors, as others have said.

DNA doesn't last nearly long enough. Scientists have made great strides in analyzing ancient DNA (aDNA), They have decoded the genomes of Neanderthals and other extinct human species. But that aDNA is only tens of thousands of years old. IIRC the theoretical maximum is something like 1 million years. No chance on dinosaur DNA.

As to how what evidence there is, I think that's already sufficiently answered, and better than I could.

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Yes, better tools to analyze data will yield great results. Even a good push to scan all those finds and make all the data available would probably allow amazing new discoveries. The catch is that people like to hoard that data and milk it for their own careers and fame.

That said... LLM is Large Language Model. By definition, LLMs are unlikely to analyze 3-dimensional shapes. The newer AIs, like Gemini or GPT-4o, also use vision and audio but they are often still called (multimodal) LLMs. It's justifiable as they still seem to have language at the core, but it's getting increasingly dubious.

What is the Legal copyright on a Lemmy Post?

Most instances don't have a specific copyright in their ToS, which is basically how copyright is handled on corporate social media (Meta/X/Reddit owns license rights to whatever you post on their platform when you click "Agree"). I've noticed some people including Copyright notices in posts (mostly to prevent AI use). Is this...

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The creator is the automatic copyright owner, or in some cases their employer. Copyright is automatic through international treaties like the Berne convention. The Berne convention is from the 19th century and was created by the authoritarian european empires of the time. The US joined only in 1989. I think your question shows that the idea has not fully taken hold of the public consciousness. Automatic copyright is now the global norm. (I always wonder how much its better copyright laws helped the US copyright industry to become globally dominant.)

Very short and/or simple texts are not copyrighted. IE they are public domain.

Adding a license statement gives others the right to use these posts accordingly. It only serves to give away rights but is not necessary to retain them. The real tricky question is the status of the other posts. I'd guess most jurisdictions have something like the concept of an implied license. Given how fanatical some lemmy users are on intellectual property, not having it in writing is really asking for trouble, though.

What such a license means for AI training is hard to say at this point. The right-wing tradition of EU copyright law gives owners much power. They can use a machine-readable opt-out. Whether such a notice qualifies is questionable. However, there is no standard for such a machine-readable opt-out, so who knows?

US copyright has a more left-wing tradition and is constitutionally limited to certain purposes. It's unlikely that such a notice has any effect.

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Saying that it's "statistics" is, at best, unhelpful. It conveys no useful information. At worst, it's misleading. What goes on with neural nets has very little to do with what one learns in a stats course.

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I would not expect almost human-like conversation on being told that is just statistics. I'd expect something like the old Markov chain jobs. What kind of knowledge leads you to have higher expectations?

Also, how does Bayesian statistics enter into this?

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Yes, that's a valid comparison. It's worse with neural nets, though. Much of machine learning is literally applied statistics. That is, a program is written that applies statistical methods to data and then adjusts its behavior. So, saying that it's statistics has the potential to really send people down the wrong track. Many of the "human hallucinations" about AIs result from confusion about this.

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Those aren't the basics, though. That's how saying it's statistics is misleading. A Bayesian network is not a neural network.

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Other country presidents are accepted though.

There's the trick. Chose a small country, where the president is less busy and not as well guarded. I'd turn into an iceland pony. Scratch a message into the ground and the president will be around shortly; nice photo op for the tourists. There's enough people there who speak english. Alternatively, Ireland would be a good pick if you want to be sure they speak english.

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Refreshing to see a post on this topic that has its facts straight.

EU copyright allows a machine-readable opt-out from AI training (unless it's for scientific purposes). I guess that's behind these deals. It means they will have to pay off Reddit and the other platforms for access to the EU market. Or more accurately, EU customers will have to pay Reddit and the other platforms for access to AIs.

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I mean, yes, but I can't help pointing out that all money is made up. The only difference is the purpose of the money system.

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I wish people would go straight to the source for these stories. No reason to link to something that only paraphrases a press release and adds some ads.

Press release (contains link to indictment):

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/two-brothers-arrested-attacking-ethereum-blockchain-and-stealing-25-million

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That doesn't even make sense. I have the mild suspicion that the fossil fuel industry sponsors nonsense like that, as a distraction from sane measures.

What we need to do to stop global warming is very simple: Stop using fossil fuels. We must not add CO2 to the atmosphere.

AI has nothing to do with that. It's just one more use for electricity. If we wanted to stop global warming, we would get the electricity by saving elsewhere, or generating more carbon-neutral electricity, with solar, wind or what not. We simply chose not to do that.

Hello GPT-4o ( openai.com )

GPT-4o (“o” for “omni”) is a step towards much more natural human-computer interaction—it accepts as input any combination of text, audio, and image and generates any combination of text, audio, and image outputs. It can respond to audio inputs in as little as 232 milliseconds, with an average of 320 milliseconds,...

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Same year that the productivity-pay gap begins. Hmm.

In Germany, the last conscripts were called up in 2011.

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Hugging Face is the usual platform for sharing datasets and models.

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Good question. That is (almost certainly) political speech and as such especially protected by law. It's also quite controversial and so companies will try to prevent their services being used for it.

After announcing increased prices, Spotify to Pay Songwriters About $150 Million Less Next Year ( www.billboard.com )

When Bloomberg reported that Spotify would be upping the cost of its premium subscription from $9.99 to $10.99, and including 15 hours of audiobooks per month in the U.S., the change sounded like a win for songwriters and publishers. Higher subscription prices typically equate to a bump in U.S. mechanical royalties — but not...

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In 2023, Taylor Swift got $100 million from Spotify. How much should she get?

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They are not. A derivative would be a translation, or theater play, nowadays, a game, or movie. Even stuff set in the same universe.

Expanding the meaning of "derivative" so massively would mean that pretty much any piece of code ever written is a derivative of technical documentation and even textbooks.

So far, judges simply throw out these theories, without even debating them in court. Society would have to move a lot further to the right, still, before these ideas become realistic.

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Assuming you want to know why France is islamophobic...

It's historically grown. France invaded majority muslim, north Africa in the 19th century. Present day Algeria was french territory. The native muslim population was brutally oppressed; somewhat comparable to the oppression of blacks in the US. Nevertheless, the Muslims were french and fought for her in its wars, such as in the trenches 1914-18.

Algeria eventually won its independence after a brutal war lasting from 1954 to 1962. The brutality of this civil war is showcased by the massacre in Paris in 1961. Police attacked a peaceful demonstration for independence, murdering dozens, maybe hundreds of citizens. The police chief was a criminal nazi collaborator, convicted for his role in the holocaust. For decades, information about the massacre was suppressed in France.

President Charles de Gaulle - formerly the leader of Free France, the french forces that did not surrender to the nazis - brokered independence for Algeria. In response, far right traitors attempted a coup d'état and to assassinate him.

In many ways this history is comparable to the terrorist campaign that the US far right unleashed in the 1950/60 against African Americans and the civil rights movement. But the struggle was far more brutally fought in France. Hundreds of thousands were killed. Over a million people, mainly of european descent, were forced to flee from what became Algeria.

The decades after Algerian independence will seem quite familiar to Americans. North African Muslims had become a minority in metropolitan France (the mainland). This hated minority was quietly, without much legal upheaval, pushed to the fringes of society. Information about past atrocities against them was suppressed. Small scale terror attacks continued to happen.

These are the origins of the french far right and its islamophobia.

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