Adderbox76 ,

I'm going to concede defeat here because obviously I'm not doing a good enough job in explaining my position. But everything you just listed is exactly my point. When did all of those things start occuring? Was it before or after MAGA took over the Republican Party?

Essentially all I'm saying is that Correlation does not equal causation. All of those things you've just listed aren't because they're conservatives, it's because they're assholes. They just happened to find a party (Republicans) that told them that it's okay to let your asshole flag fly. Conservatism and Republicanism are two different things. Always have been. Conservatism is economic theory (low taxes, high privatization, lower goverment oversight, etc...) Republicanism is political theory (immigration, law and order, militarization, etc...)

MAGA took over Republicanism, convinced everyone that it was Conservatism in order to appeal to the "common folk" in order to take over the GOP.

You're list isn't a list of Conservative ideals, it's a list of Republican ideals. Those aren't the same thing.

I guess what I'm saying is, again, Correlation is not causation. All republicans are are conservatives, yes. But not all Conservatives are Republicans (or at least they wouldn't be if the country wasn't in the grip of some two-party system bullshit. They're two very different things.

But again, I'm not doing a good job of explaining that, obviously, so I'm going to back out with grace and take the "L".

Have a good day.

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