boojumliussnark ,

Libraries are paid for by taxes

FlyingSquid ,
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Taxes are not direct payments and taxes would be collected regardless of the existence of libraries.

TheRealKuni ,

Taxes are not direct payments and taxes would be collected regardless of the existence of libraries.

I dunno about where you live, but where I live libraries are funded by millage. We vote to fund the libraries specifically with a tax. So if we didn’t have the libraries, we wouldn’t pay that millage.

Taxes would still be collected, but not THAT tax.

FlyingSquid ,
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Do you think you would pay any less in tax if there was no library?

TheRealKuni ,

Again, where I live, yes. If we, as voters, decided not to approve the library millage, we would no longer pay that specific tax which funds the library.

The library would coast for a bit, but would eventually shut down unless we voted to start paying that tax again.

I know this is true because it literally happened a few towns over where a bunch of dipshits voted to stop funding their library over LGBTQ books. Fortunately the library was kept afloat by donations until a millage was eventually approved to keep it funded.

FlyingSquid ,
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a rate of 0.4119 mills

I would suggest that the tax cut in that case is so negligible as to be essentially nonexistent from a taxpayer's perspective.

TheRealKuni ,

Well, sure, but that’s not the point. I’m just saying the tax money that I pay to fund the library is something I specifically pay to fund the library. If we didn’t have the library, my taxes would be lower by the amount of my taxes that goes towards the library.

(Obviously, libraries are a fantastic use of tax money and I would never vote not to pay the meager amount I do to fund them.)

SomeGuy69 ,

Imagine an international tax founded fediverse with Lemmy, Mastodon, peertube and others. My personal dream.

Flax_vert ,

That'll be good for freedom of speech... /S?

Do suppose in some countries it can be deemed unconstitutional and/or illegal to censor ideas if such an instance existed

anas ,

…yet.

r00ty ,
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I think a federation of smaller hobby run sites is going to be the only way to avoid the commercialised Internet, and all the negatives it involves.

xavier666 ,
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that is how the internet started initially

r00ty ,
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Yep. I was around in the mid 90's. Which was around when it became generally affordable to get internet at home.

I'd say most stuff was running from university computers though. Normal people couldn't afford to have a permanent connection (even 64k) at home and in the few places co-location existed it was priced out of reach of normal people (and so were the servers you could install).

But it was still not even slightly commercialised.

eestileib ,

Well, if you want your instance to stay up you should expect to pitch in for operating costs...

NateNate60 ,

I donate 12€ a year through OpenCollective. Donate here!. That's 12€ more than any other social media site has ever gotten out of me. Donations also support mastodon.world.

If everyone donated 12€ a year then they'd be so flush with cash that it'd make the Wikimedia Foundation look broke.

r00ty ,
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I ensure my instance stays up, by running my own :)

Carighan ,
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You might however be watching ads. And probably not realize it.
(Although, to be fair, right now we're probably much too small for anyone to bother doing much astroturfing)

FlyingSquid ,
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Even if there was astroturfing, I wouldn't say that counters OP's arguments any more than it would if some guy came in and started handing out coupons to a pizza place in the local public library.

Fizz ,
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I did a 1 time donation to my instance and the devs that should cover more than a few years of me watching ads.

It's weird though because I really value the idea of supporting projects I like but I find it so hard to part with money when I am not forced. This does become easier as I become more financially stable.

blindbunny ,

I feel gross hording money at this point. I buy a lot of shit for my hobbies but I hate buying fast food and usually just buy two and give the second away as punishment for the sin.

I'm getting weird in my old age.

AVengefulAxolotl ,

To be honest with myself, I am kind of the same. For the lemmy devs and lemmy.world, there are 1€ / month tiers on patreon. Its not that much but at the very least its more than nothing.

Rentlar , (edited )

It's like a public library that lets you borrow and read books from other cities' libraries!

Ensign_Crab ,

Yes, we have interlibrary loan.

snek_boi OP ,

Instant interlibrary loan!

RustyEarthfire ,

Interlibrary loans are a wonder of the world and a glory of civilization

-Jo Walton, Among Others

Chadus_Maximus ,

But it doesn't have lots of useful stuff that makes people want to come here :(

NateNate60 ,

I'm pretty sure most libraries also have that.

FlyingSquid ,
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That's called interlibrary loan and it predates the internet by a long time.

1876 officially. Unofficially, centuries before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlibrary_loan

snek_boi OP ,
  1. Of course, people should donate to make Lemmy sustainable.
  2. I recognize that this is true of any website that is not enshitified or, more broadly, is designed to maximize profits. Websites made with libre software are the public libraries of the internet!
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