glitchdx ,

seems I'm too boomer for this shit, apparently phones count as "personal computers".

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/

look at this graph and tell me that mac os is "dominant".

(the numbers for those who don't want to click the link)

Android = 43.86%

Windows = 27.97%

iOS = 17.8%

OS X = 5.64% (when did they stop calling it mac os?)

unknown = 1.96%

Linux = 1.44% (we're still last place guys!)

graphene ,

Linux people generally use adblockers so I somewhat doubt all these analytics websites that don't have a methodology that wouldn't be blocked by adblockers listed

vga ,

Glad for Linux going up, but the numbers should really come from Windows more than from MacOS.

chiliedogg ,

How much of this is regular people just not buying new computers anymore?

A lot of households that used to have had a laptop for each person have replaced those devices with phones and tablets. They weren't using Linux, so by removing them Linux market share would go up even if it hasn't actually grown.

okamiueru ,

Last I checked, Linux users also use phones.

jacksilver ,

I think the argument is that as less people have desktops and laptops, the only people left will be more technical (otherwise they'd just use a phone or tablet). The more technical people are also likely to use Linux. So as non-technical people move to tablets and phones, technical people make up a larger share of laptop/desktop users.

nossaquesapao , (edited )

Just a reminder to take the data in that site with a grain of salt. I used to share them a lot, but then decided to read more about their methodology, and turns out it's mostly a black box, so they may be subject to several kinds of biases, and we can't even know. For example, we don't know which sites use their analytics and if there's a geographical bias. We also don't know how their scripts work and how the data is collected from devices. It would be nice if we had more sources of marketshare data to compare

mesamunefire OP ,

For sure, I wish they gave us more data. The trend seems to be going up so that's nice.

peetabix ,
@peetabix@lemmy.world avatar

Isn't ChromeOS just a flavour of Linux?

Barbarian ,
@Barbarian@sh.itjust.works avatar

Technically, yes. Practically, it's complicated. It doesn't really exist within the same ecosystem as other Linux distros.

It's not as different as Android (which is also technically a Linux distribution), but running a normal DE and all the programs that come with it is very clearly still an advanced user thing locked behind knowledge of how bash and virtual environments work.

fne8w2ah ,

Three cheers for King Torvalds and Lord Gaben!

NaoPb ,

You're welcome guys. I installed Linux on an iMac yesterday. It was all me.

Allero ,

Yes, this was big news all over Lemmy when it happened.

Thanks for bringing it up though! Not everyone might have known that.

Hugh_Jeggs ,

Then immediately went down to 3.5% when people realised it still doesn't work properly lol

Karakangaroo ,

Wym I've recently started using Linux and I've had exactly one issue and it was entirely my lack of knowledge and took like 5 mins to fix.

A_Random_Idiot ,
@A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world avatar

yeah, linux is super usable for every day shit, and even gaming now. I havent had a significant problem in years, and i'm not a sysadmin or something that knows the mystic ways of the commandline or anything. I'm just a random idiot

sxan ,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

Linux founder Linus Torvalds, for example, has suggested that a lack of a standardized desktop that goes across all Linux distros has held back Linux adoption on desktop.

Yeah. Well, in on Linux in large part because of the diversity, choice, and options. If I wanted a monolithic, incestuous lock-in culture, I'd be on Windows, or a Mac.

Linux may have been simply making an observation, not a judgment, but fuck monocultures.

Land_Strider ,

I'm thinking this comes from the consideration of taking imagery at the root of people's brains when they hear Linux. Reiterating elements of the Windows or Mac UI over the decades, even if they had small visual changes, enable a significantly large population of the world to imagine the desktop even just while mentioned in a passing. Anyone that doesn't use either of these OSes at least can have a basic imagery popping up about it due to constant advertising of the desktop via direct ads, support pages, tech websites using generic desktop images, screen shares, etc.

Linux is wild west in this regard. Everyone knows how Windows or MacOS looks like thanks to their abundant copies of descriptive bounty posters, but only other Linux users are familiar with other Linux desktops and that is usually as the names of fellow bounty hunters.

sxan ,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

Yeah. When I think of Linux, I think of the terminal. It's the only constant over the years.

My septagenarian father thinks Linux looks like Linux Mint, because that's what I first set up for him, and that's what I walked him through installing on a new computer.

Viva la difference.

A_Random_Idiot ,
@A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world avatar

To much diversity of options and choices are just as bad and damaging as having none at all.

nossaquesapao ,

But how much is too much? Diversity is a great thing for people, makes technology less authoritative and more inclusive.

A_Random_Idiot ,
@A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world avatar

Authorative drive is what makes software more inclusive. It can focus the resources and attention where its needed, to create a superior product. Linus being a bulldog with the Kernel is proof enough with that.

Design by commitee does not make things more inclusive. It just leads to people not getting their way, having a huff, and screaming "I'M GOING TO FORK THIS AND GO MAKE MY OWN VERSION, WITH BLACKJACK, AND HOOKERS!", and now you have two teams doing the same thing, and being lesser due to the split dev time and attention. and will probably lead to more forks, and more splits of teams.

Doesnt mean it has to be monolithic/monoculture. but a single product that serves 80% of everyones wants and desires is a better, superior product to one that tries to cater to and serve 100% to each, different individual.

and most people wont even notice the 20% difference in their everyday usage and life. They just get told something, or get a wrong idea, and are hard pressed to give it up cause humans can rarely admit their own wrong.

nossaquesapao , (edited )

Authorative drive is what makes software more inclusive. It can focus the resources and attention where its needed,

Where a particular groups think it's needed.

Let's take some examples. In the linux world, there are multiple DEs, with different GUIs and approaches on how to interact with a computer. People used to the windows look might feel better and be more productive in KDE, while people who are more used to phones might prefer GNOME. There are DEs that are very lightweight with resources, so that people with older machines aren't left out, and there are people who don't even like DEs at all, who might prefer something like i3. In the end, everyone can have something to run on their machines, and which they will feel more comfortable with, instead of a particular group of people deciding how someone should interact with a computer, and people having to use it the way they want, whether they like it or not.

Doesnt mean it has to be monolithic/monoculture. but a single product that serves 80% of everyones wants and desires is a better, superior product to one that tries to cater to and serve 100% to each, different individual.

I agree with that, and maybe we're talking about different things? The kind of diversity I mention is multiple projects aiming at 80% of different people, but coexisting.

logi ,

fuck monocultures.

I have to disagree. We can't have too many monocultures.

fiercekitten ,

I don't think Microsoft (or Apple) want people to have personal computers anymore in the way that PCs have historically existed. That is to say, they don't want your computer capable of running arbitrary code of your choosing. They don't want your computer to have the potential to do everything, to run everything, to make anything.

They want to control and lock down all aspects of your machine and what it can do, retain ownership of hardware via software licenses, and monetize every click and keystroke.

Microsoft doesn't want you to have a functional computer anymore, they want you to have a dummy terminal that runs Office 365 and Copilot.

ericjmorey ,
@ericjmorey@programming.dev avatar

You'll own nothing and you'll be happy
- Ida Auken

egeres ,
@egeres@lemmy.world avatar

I think if it was up to them, and latency was low enough, they probably would have pushed some kind of "fully remote convertible laptop" where they literally own everything you do in a cloud, I don't even want to search if this is a thing that exist already

Matthew ,

We've been most of the way their for a long while with thin clients. They have just enough computational capacity to connect to someone else infrastructure. Its also how schools use Chromebooks for the most part too

BradleyUffner ,

They want PCs that work like smartphones, with apps completely self contained and unmodifiable, where the OS is a black box that no one but them can see in to.

flop_leash_973 ,

Smartphones are actually a good window into what computers in general would have been like had the IBM bios not been reverse engineered and survived a bunch of legal challenges.

1995ToyotaCorolla ,
@1995ToyotaCorolla@lemmy.world avatar

Now that we don’t have to pay for any of the infrastructure, it turns out that mainframes and timesharing is awesome. Can we go back to that please? - Silicon Valley, 2024

notanaltaccount ,

This is EXACTLY right.

They are dividing users into two groups. Unintelligent users who run Windows or MacOS in an extremely controlled limited way with AI assisting and monitoring everything remotely and reporting it back to the mothership...

Or people who are above an IQ of 85 and willing to learn to use Linux.

1984 ,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

It's cool and all, but I'm surprised it's not 10% at this point. Microsoft is shitting in their customers mouth and Apple is a luxury brand at this point.

mesamunefire OP ,

For desktop or everything else. Because if its:

Web Servers, Supercomputers, Android Smartphones, Smart TVs, Network Routers, Network Switches, Embedded Devices, IoT Devices, NAS (Network-Attached Storage) Devices, Raspberry Pi, Smartwatches, Home Automation Devices, Google Chromebooks, Set-top Boxes, Drones, Digital Signage Devices, 3D Printers, Medical Devices, ATM Machines, Point of Sale (POS) Devices, Digital Cameras, Gaming Consoles, Virtual Private Servers (VPS), Automotive Infotainment Devices, Mainframes, Telecommunications Equipment, Scientific Research Equipment, Security Devices, Cloud Servers, Network Firewalls, Storage Area Networks (SAN), Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP) Devices, Customer Relationship Management (CRM) Devices, Big Data Analytics Devices, Machine Learning Devices, Artificial Intelligence Devices, Financial Trading Devices, Air Traffic Control Devices, Spacecraft Control Devices, Weather Forecasting Devices, Broadcast Automation Devices, Railway Signaling Devices, Electric Grid Control Devices, Smart Meters, E-Readers, Electric Vehicle (EV) Charging Stations, Robotics Devices

then Linux (or some kind of *Nix system) is probably what is running it. The only market share I dont see is desktop.

flop_leash_973 , (edited )

I don’t have any hard numbers, only what I have seen out in the world. But a good number of POS systems, embedded things like MRI machines, tire balancers in mechanics shops and ATMs run some flavor of embedded Windows.

It is not nearly as huge as *nix is, but it is not exactly uncommon either.

meldrik ,

Because every computer bought by the average human being, has Windows on it.

1984 ,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

Yeah that's true.

Fedizen ,

4% is high considering there are probably more corporate desktops tham personal ones

Allero ,

Institutuonals like governments and businesses do embrace Linux, too, and I don't find many regular users running Linux on their machine for anything but IT work

homesweethomeMrL ,

First off, I DO NOT count ChromeOS, but whatever.

Secondly, when is 18% of anything “dominant”??? The fuck? Arstechnica back up off the pipe.

GBU_28 ,

They probably mean of Linux flavored ps coverage.

(I'm aware Mac is very different than Linux, but it is more closely grouped with Linux than Windows)

BeardedGingerWonder ,

It's more BSD than anything.

kinsnik ,

"dominance"... You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means

PlasticExistence ,

Inconceivable

pineapplelover ,

Played csgo last night and this guy brought up he was playing on Linux Mint. Lfg, I was so happy.

Halo ,

I switched over to Fedora a number of months ago and switched to plasma a few weeks ago. 0 complaints on any game I’ve played between halo, cyber punk, doom, and forza.

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