haui ,
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@actuallyautistic controversial thought:

calling an autistic person naive is an ableist slur as it is negatively connotated and targets a persons unchangeable traits.

Feel free to disagree and explain if you think another definition would make mote sense.

As always please refrain from ad hominem attacks.

JoBlakely ,
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@haui @actuallyautistic naïveté is changeable and effects every single person alive until they learn more and grow up.
Presuming autistics cannot learn or outgrow this ignorance of understanding reality or the circumstances we are in is ableist and presumes we cannot grow or become not naive. While we may have many false assumptions based on our own innocence & lack of experience, we are fully capable of learning from experience and being less naive, even preternaturally intuitively aware.

EVDHmn ,
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@haui @actuallyautistic
Nearly everyone over estimates ability or underestimates ability dunning Kruger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

punishmenthurts ,
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@haui @actuallyautistic
I sort of have my own framing but you’re either naive or you’re what, duplicitous. Their framing is that not lying and assuming everyone else is, “pathological.”
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Depends on your POV, your neurology, but it’s not a world away from that protesting a genocide is “racism,” is it. Frustrating. Conform to the lying, what is the matter with you.

GreenRoc ,
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@punishmenthurts @haui @actuallyautistic All newborn babies are naive, regardless of neurotype.

punishmenthurts ,
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@haui @actuallyautistic neurology IS ideology, the labels and descriptions are very ideological, but they’re in charge, so it’s only “ideology,” for us, in one direction, in their language.
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We need our own language where we are the default and they are pathological.

punishmenthurts ,
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@haui @actuallyautistic
they say some lying is necessary, for social lubrication, but perhaps from another neurology, lying is less like lube and more like sand, I might see it the other way, that the lies don’t lubricate, they grind people down.

punishmenthurts ,
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@haui @actuallyautistic
I’m not happy with this, it’s awkward and flawed - but it has to be, trying to talk across neurotypes, things don’t work, that’s sort of the point.
Again, it’s crap, but it’s a start?

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