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Tryptaminev , to No Stupid Questions in Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed?

was written by people with no knowledge of physics

So why would they write about it and describe it as wonders? Do you think they did not understand that walking on water, giving life to the death, curing diseases on the spot and other things ascribed to Jesus as wonders were defying the conventional laws of nature?

The burden of proof is on the claimant.

Exactly. You claim to know that Jesus as described in the bible is an impossibility. So you have to proof that. All i want you to acknowledge, is that you are making an assumption, not providing proven knowledge.

And telling me I can’t assume that the laws of physics work all the time doesn’t really compel me to think otherwise since I’ve never seen any modern documented account of the laws of physics not working.

Ever heard of modern Physics? Relativity theory? Relativistic effects? All of these are the results of observations in defiance of classical Newtonian physics. There is an ongoing revolution in physics since a hundred years because we keep observing things inconsistent with our prior assumptions about the laws of physics.

Tryptaminev , to No Stupid Questions in Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed?

And the roman empire was not able to do that already? From my understanding mythologically/spiritually the Roman empire was perfectly settled with what it had before in terms of political power. Incidentally the roman empire declined and fell apart in the centuries after accepting Christianity.

And before the Roman empire there were the Egyptians. They seemed to fare much better in terms of power with their idol worship than later when they embraced Abrahamic religions, yet they did.

Tryptaminev , to No Stupid Questions in Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed?

Again you are making an assumption as the base of your logical construct.

That assumption is that the "laws of physics" are absolute in the sense that you know them. This is already problematic from a scientific point of view because our understanding of what the "laws of physics" are were and are under a constant change.

The scriptures are based on the axiom that god created everything including the laws of physics so when he chooses to, these laws can be defied. You can disagree with that axiom, but that does not mean that the logic is inconsistent.

So if you want to be honest your argument is "I don't believe the scriptures, so i don't believe in Jesus" which is perfectly valid, but very different from "I know Jesus is impossible and i can prove it."

Maybe to make an example in science to wrap it all together. Before the invention of microscopes some doctors theorized about bacteria and viruses as the source of diseases. They often got ridiculed as "some invisible animals making us sick? Yeah you drank too much wine again" . Then the telescope came about and it could be seen what used to be unseeable for humans. Nowadays if you would claim there to be no bacteria you'd be rightfully ridiculed. But we also saw in human history that knowledge got lost and things that were established knowledge became bold theories subject to ridicule again.

So being honest to science and human knowledge the valid position is "I don't believe in Jesus like described in the bible, as it is inconsistent with what i can observe today, but i have no proof in either direction."

But this position is not more or less valid than "I do believe in Jesus like described in the bible." Or "I do believe in Jesus but not like described in the bible."

Tryptaminev , to No Stupid Questions in Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed?

Important notion that Jesus never claimed to be the son of god and that entire line of thinking was established some four hundred years after.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

So we have to differentiate between what is the actual Gospel and life of Jesus and what the more creative parts of the churches invented on top of it over time.

Tryptaminev , to No Stupid Questions in Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed?

Then why is it that the message was so powerful that the Roman empire abolished its idol worship and chose Christianity? Especially as Jesus a.s. was supposed to be a rebel against the empire?

Do you think people 2000 years ago were all stupid?

Tryptaminev , to No Stupid Questions in Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed?

His life is full of details that defy basic biological and physical laws.

Which is perfectly sensible given that he was given the power to perform wonders by god to establish that he is indeed a messenger of god. The entire point of wonders is them defying the otherwise imposed limits of the physical world. Because the only one who can grant this power is the source of the physical limits themselves and that is god.

This is logically consistent under the axiom that god exists. Which is what the scriptures are all about.

You can set the axiom that god does not exist. But as there is no proof of that, it is equally axiomatic. So given that your logic works on an unproven assumption you should not use it to criticize a different logic based on another assumption.

Tryptaminev , to No Stupid Questions in Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed?

Irrespective of whether people believe the prophets to be prophets the level of "proof of existence" they demand is often way beyond what is accepted for other historical people.

And frankly it is quite childish. There is rational criticisms of what happened between the life of Jesus a.s. and what is printed in modern bibles. There is a lot of rational criticism for various christian institutions like the catholic church or other churches.

And i think it is unsurprising when looking at groups like atheist memes. It mostly seems to be a self help group for people who struggled under bad christian parents, rather than a theological conviction. And i don't think that mocking Christianity is the healthy approach to reconcile with that childhood trauma.

Tryptaminev , to No Stupid Questions in So is Israel just going to completely overtake Palestine?

1...

And Israel and the EU help Azerbaijan to continue ethnic cleansing of Armenians, in particular Israel by sending drones in exchange for Azerbaijani oil

2..

The Kurdish identity was deliberately squashed by the Western imperialists France and UK when they drew the borders after the fall of the Ottoman empire

3...

Turkey went into Cyprus when a western aided fascist Greek military junta government tried to take over Cyprus and make it part of Greece with ethnic cleansing against the Turks in Cyprus. Calling it an illegal occupation is again a western imperialist narrative ignoring the complicity in attempted ethnic cleansing or worse genocide by the Greek fascist military junta government of the time. In fact Turkey stepping in was pivotal to the fascist military junta falling apart and Greece returning to Democracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_invasion_of_Cyprus

So already in your first three points you are showing either a lack of understanding, or deliberately downplaying the effects of western imperialist rule and its continuation into today. Armenians are allies of Palestine as they understand that they are victim of the same forces. In particular the Israel-Azerbaijan axis shows that it is not about religion, but about classic imperialist motives of ressources, power and money.

Tryptaminev , to No Stupid Questions in So is Israel just going to completely overtake Palestine?

The Middle East isn’t divided by the US, it’s divided by its own history of imperialism, colonization, oppression and violence based on religious and ethnic lines accross the centuries. There’s really no incentive for the US keep the Middle East divided, not to mention that oil producing countries are already united through OPEC.

Ahh yes. The Middle Easts own history. Clearly has nothing to do with French, British or US being the colonizing entities... And after all why would the US be interested in dividing a region that is connecting 3 continents and has the mos accessible of the main strategic ressources of the past two centuries.

And of course all the plans of the US that specifically talked about destroying nations like Iraq and Syria and the invasion of Iraq to do exactly that... All coincidences! Who would be so mean to assume this to be part of larger strategies?

Tryptaminev , to No Stupid Questions in So is Israel just going to completely overtake Palestine?

Colonial league of nations declare Israeli state after later to become Israeli terrorists have terrorized Palestinians and the British troops to force them out. Palestinians are not asked on the matter if they want to give those terrorists a fascist ethnostate on their land.

Fascist ethnostate gets declared, starts ethically cleansing hundreds of thousands of people.

Some neighbouring countries try to prevent that.

75 years of propaganda and brainwashing and people like you spin it like the Israelis are the victims, even while they are currently committing an even worse genocide and ethnic cleansing than they used to do back then and in between.

Tryptaminev , to World News in ‘Only Pirates Do This’: China Wields Axes and Knives in South China Sea Fight

So you do agree that it is a fairly moderated act, compared two how the other two main powers in the world operate, which is outright illegal and mass murderous invasions.

Tryptaminev , to World News in Immigration fears are pushing centrists to the right in the US and Europe

Canada is still not overpopulated in the temperate areas. 90% of Canadians life within a few miles of the US border. Canada is a net exporter of food.

Tryptaminev , to World News in Immigration fears are pushing centrists to the right in the US and Europe

Yes. Canada the infamously packed country with no space for people. Canada that is 10% larger than the US and has less than 10% of the population of the US. If there is anyone more person moving to Canada there wont be enough air to breathe anymore!

Tryptaminev , to World News in ‘Only Pirates Do This’: China Wields Axes and Knives in South China Sea Fight

“Stupid and petty” is how international bullies operate.

In other words any country having regional or global power aspirations.

Compared with the invasion of Iraq or Ukraine this is actually fairly moderated by China.

Tryptaminev , to World News in Sunak protection cop arrested over alleged bets on UK election date

While that is true i would be suprised if Craig Williams is a Muslim. Not necessarily because there is no ethnically European Muslims, but rather because the rampant racism, classism and attacks against Muslims by the British Government, in conjunction with aiding the genocide in Gaza make it a much worse sin to serve under Sunak than any gambling could be.

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