German Cabinet backs deportations for praise of terrorism ( www.dw.com )

Germany's government has agreed on a draft law making it easier to deport people who promote "terrorist crimes." The legislation lowers the bar at which foreigners can be returned to their country of origin.

German government ministers on Wednesday agreed on draft legislation to simplify the deportation process for individuals who express support for terrorism, Germany's Interior Ministry said.

The move comes in reaction to online hate posts that celebrated the Hamas attack on Israel and other terrorist incidents.

The draft law would allow deportation if someone is considered to have approved of a single terrorist offense. No criminal conviction would be necessary for an individual to be deported.

Expressions of approval could include not only posting of hateful content on social media but also marking a hate post with a "like" or other positive reaction on platforms such as YouTube, Instagram, or TikTok.

Siegfried ,

I don't understand the German mindset. Are they trying to feed antisemitism up? Cause this is how you do it.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Gestapo in full force to protect israel.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Does that include throwing paint on Stonehedge and blocking ambulances?

febra ,

Using the slogan “from the river to the sea” or posting the red triangle 🔻 will also count as praising terrorism. I’m not even joking. I watched the press conference where the government spokesperson confirmed this. As such they’ll be able to deport you for using “from the river to the sea” or for even liking a post using it.

rimjob_rainer ,

Wouldn't that go against Artikel 5 Grundgesetz, free speech etc?

febra ,

Apparently not. Talk to our government officials. According to them "from the river to the sea" constitutes praising terrorism.

Here is the press conference, in German. The subject is discussed from the given timestamp (5:50) to around minute 20.
https://youtu.be/lBmDdNZmToU?si=PqnNvXxDdyXkrbqN&t=351

rimjob_rainer ,

wtf

Caligvla ,
@Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Uh-huh... I wonder what their definition of """terrorism""" is.

doodledup ,

Is this a serious question? These things are already well defined in the law. There is no conspiracy here, sorry. You need to look elsewhere.

pandapoo ,

Just because something is legally defined, doesn't mean the law will be equally applied and it's not a conspiracy theory to point out the German government's long history of unequal application of draconian laws that are used to target specific demographic groups.

The groups they choose to target may change as time moves on, but the tactic remains.

theacharnian ,

I don't speak German, so this is just Google Translate:

  1. Anyone who establishes an organization (§ 129 paragraph 2) whose purpose or activity is aimed at
  1. murder (§ 211) or manslaughter (§ 212) or genocide (§ 6 of the International Criminal Code) or crimes against humanity (§ 7 of the International Criminal Code) or war crimes (§§ 8, 9, 10, 11 or § 12 of the International Criminal Code) or
  2. crimes against personal freedom in the cases of § 239a or § 239b
    or anyone who participates in such an organization as a member shall be punished with imprisonment from one year to ten years.

So like, just wondering a hypothetical here, let's say that in the future the ICJ sides with South Africa against Israel regarding the Gaza genocide case, would Germany actually start persecuting pro-kahanist bootlickers for terrorism? Or does the German "raison d'etat" cover criminals if they're Jewish Israelis?

MyEdgyAlt ,

So, supporting all terorrism will be treated the same way, right? Or does this only apply to terrorism not conducted by the “good guys”?

Cethin ,

The issue is it's only terrorism when the "bad guys" do it. The word is beyond useless.

Badeendje ,
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

So how does that work with equal treatment under the law?

Does this not just mean some get punished harder than others?

That said, I can imagine that people that do not have a passport to your country can be kindly requested to fuck off and never return again. And I think that is a good thing. From a countries perspective: my passport... my problem, not my passport... GTFO.

autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:

German government ministers on Wednesday agreed on draft legislation to simplify the deportation process for individuals who express support for terrorism, Germany's Interior Ministry said.

The move comes in reaction to online hate posts that celebrated the Hamas attack on Israel and other terrorist incidents.

Chancellor Olaf Scholz had announced plans to change the law after a deadly knife attack on an anti-Islam rally in Mannheim, in which a policeman died.

Interior Minister Nancy Faeser put forward the changes, arguing that Berlin was "taking tough action against Islamist and anti-Semitic hate crime online."

"It is very clear to us that Islamist agitators who are mentally living in the Stone Age have no place in our country," Faeser told the Funke media group before Wednesday's cabinet meeting.

However, critics say the draft excessively clamps down on freedom of speech and said the measures were similar to tactics used by authoritarian regimes.

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