ssm ,
@ssm@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Really wish when I clicked on the alternative for change.org one of the choices would have just been "a gun"

Arkhive ,

While this seems like a decent starting point I’ve got a few issues with this list. As others have mentioned there is little in the way of justification for these suggestions, and while I happen to agree with plenty of them, I’d personally like to see more reasoning, if not to appease people that already have opinions then to help newer users understand their options.

On the topic of newer users I think an aggregate list like this should include a basic rundown on what adoption/migration/onboarding looks like for these services. Demystifying that process can lift a lot of the perceived weight non-“power users” might feel when faced with the leap from corporate platforms.

Overall I think this is a good resource, and at least gives people some starting points, but it’s not without its flaws.

Imprint9816 ,

My problem with these lists is they never provide any sort of evidence as to why these suggestions should be trusted. No discernable criteria that a suggestion in a category has to meet, no evidence the site fact checks its suggestions.

esaru ,

They promote Ubuntu-based distros, which cannot be trusted anymore, and they forget to mention Fedora as a better alternative.

Here is why you shouldn't use Ubuntu:

Canonical’s Ubuntu is not recommended because it contains Amazon ads and data leaks by default. GNU/Linux distributions based on Ubuntu are also currently not recommended due to several other reasons.

Source: https://prism-break.org/en/subcategories/gnu-linux-operating-systems/

renard_roux ,

/* claps hands excitedly as a Linux n00b who picked Fedora /*

Vodulas ,

Is that still true? The article/github thread cited on Prism Break are from 2012 and 2013 respectively. It seems only to be true of Ubuntu 12.10. The only thing I can from from current Ubuntu versions is the ad in the command line when doing an apt upgrade, and that is from 2022. It does not appear to exist in other Ubuntu based distros since it is an ad for Ubuntu Pro. Not saying it is great, but it seems like non-Canonical distros should be OK.

esaru ,

The problem with Ubuntu is that trust in a package manager is a basic criteria when evaluating a distribution. Once Canonical had violated that trust and shown its attitude with privacy violations, data collection, and default opt-in, you should stay away from anything that comes from Canonical. They didn't get away with what they did, but the mindset behind their actions is part of how that company is run and what they might do in the future without letting you know. They were trying to establish an income channel by knowingly sacrificing the user's privacy and security. That's a no-go in my opinion.

Vodulas ,

That's fair. I guess I give just a little bit of room for fucking up and fixing it. I am also not particularly loyal and will ditch companies at the drop of a hat.

Danterious ,

Does this affect stuff like linux mint since its based on ubuntu?

Anti Commercial-AI license (CC BY-NC-SA 4.0)

Achyu ,

Linux mint has an edition based on Debian, LMDE:
https://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php

esaru ,

Distributions based on Ubuntu like Linux Mint take pro-active steps to prevent their users from being affected by Canonical's decisions (the company that controls Ubuntu). So as long as they detect all malicious implementations from Canonical, you are safe. But I personally prefer a purely community based distribution like Fedora in which things like that won't happen in the first place. In contrast to Fedora, Ubuntu is under control of Canonical, a private company, which apparently plays a too significant role in strategic decisions that go against its users, and you never know if the Linux Mint team can respond to everything that Canonical is doing. Currently, Mint is removing Ubuntu's online search integration, privacy violations, and replace some of Ubuntu's Snap packages as they oppose Ubuntu's decision and centralized control that comes with Snap packages. As I said above, for me it feels more right though to have a distribution that doesn't need to work around questionable implementations of its mother distribution.

refurbishedrefurbisher ,

Lemmy isn't listed as a Reddit alternative. I wonder why that is.

They are also recommending PrivacyTools.io, which had a nasty takeover and started selling ad space. Privacy Guides is the better site.

scytale ,

PrivacyTools.io, which had a nasty takeover and started selling ad space.

Didn’t know that. Thanks for the heads up.

rimu OP ,
@rimu@piefed.social avatar

Some gentle pressure applied here might change that https://codeberg.org/swiso/website/issues/255

Kissaki , (edited )
@Kissaki@beehaw.org avatar

In Advanced Users they link to computefreely.org for

approachable and friendly for people curious about free and open source operating systems and Linux distributions

which is definitely not the content there. Looks like the original website went defunct in 2022 between January and May. Their website repo is archived.

/edit: I saw the website is open source and created a change request.

Anyway, I'd be careful about how up-to-date this website is, and what it links to.

syd ,
@syd@lemy.lol avatar

Adobe {product name} -> Cracked Adobe {product name}

Lemongrab ,

Not a fan of your variable formatting within that string. You are banished from the mickey mouse code house. /s

esty ,
@esty@lemmy.ca avatar

Dunno if people consider apple "ethical" but the pixelmator apps on macOS have quickly replaced photoshop and lightroom for most of the light edits I do. Affinity's apps are solid and cross platform but with a steep learning curve imo, but more comprehensive options. Always resolve on all platforms for video of course.

ag_roberston_author ,
@ag_roberston_author@beehaw.org avatar

Serif (which owns Affinity) was just bought out by Canva, so it's only a moment of time before they are enshittified unfortunately.

petrescatraian ,
@petrescatraian@libranet.de avatar

For political issues, you should petition governments directly on issues.

Not sure if this is a great alternative. This is a thing that is totally dependent from country to country. In my country, there is no such platform that I'm aware of (on the local or national level at least. Ok, I may petition the EU, but they may just have no responsibility into my matters).

Many institutions do have email addresses though, and if, for example, you have a website, you can write an email template and point to an institution where people could send that email. Even that I don't know how feasible it could be, but it could be more doable in more parts of the world, I think.

Otherwise, for Romania there is declic.ro, a platform owned by an NGO who relies solely on donations to run it, and also runs its own campaigns.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Oh good , an alternative to AlternativeTo

DmMacniel ,

but, is it an ethical alternative to AlternativeTo?

renard_roux ,

AltCeption!

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