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tempest , to Right to Repair in ‘It has officially happened’: Mechanic says he can’t work on your car because they’ve officially been locked out of computer systems

I mean every other company is going this shit why should car companies not be allowed?

krashmo ,

That's not the take you should come away from this story with. None of them should be allowed to do it.

Salvo ,
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Car company’s have been doing it for decades.
There are legitimate reasoning; theft relevant parts for instance; you don’t want to enable vehicle theft and the “security through obscurity” model did work for a long time. Unfortunately for the manufacturers, most factory security systems are being cracked by locksmiths and vehicle rebirthers.

Another reason is for warranty claims. The manufacturer builds the cars to be the right balance of price, reliability, efficiency and performance. If you modify your vehicles ECU software, the engine may not be as reliable or efficient. If an “unauthorised repairer” changed the programming of the ECU, it can compromise the efficiency and reliability of the vehicle.

There are been plenty of accusations of “planned obsolescence” because a vehicle has died just out of the warranty period, after someone has fucked with the vehicle tuning.

Finally, the other reason, especially for Volume Manufacturers is that their vehicles are sold as a Loss Leader so they can make up the shortfall through aftersales.
Some vehicle importers make deals with governments to lower tariffs on new vehicles, but increase tariffs on genuine parts, like what the Japanese industry and the Australian Government made in the 1980s.

Whether you agree with this logic is irrelevant; this is the reasoning manufacturers use for restricting aftermarket parts and labour.

When a “free-market” Aftermarket Aftersales industry causes the Genuine Aftersales industry to fail, Manufacturers will try to make up any losses through other channels, like requesting government subsidies “for the good of the local industry” or selling telematics data (which just “happens” to have personal user data) to data brokers.

jmbmkn ,

"Whether you agree with this logic is irrelevant; this is the reasoning manufacturers use for restricting aftermarket parts and labour."

Isn't this this the point of this community? To say we don't agree with this reasoning, whether locking people out of repairs is a good business model or not, it's one that some people don't agree with.

Salvo ,
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That is the point of this community, you are correct, but unless the Manufacturers can come up with viable alternatives, it isn’t going to change.

Are there any proactive suggestions on how Manufacturers can accommodate third party repairers without compromising the security of their customers vehicles?

I’m pretty sure that no one wants a repeat of the US Kia and Hyundai fiasco of last year?

Engineer Mod ,

This is an escalation the others haven't taken yet, but I'm sure they'll soon follow if they're allowed. But all prevention of repair should be illegal, not just this company.

Mango ,

Bro I've heard there's lots of serial killers now.

sp3tr4l , to Right to Repair in ‘It has officially happened’: Mechanic says he can’t work on your car because they’ve officially been locked out of computer systems

I used to have a Prius C, got it used.

95% of shops wouldn't touch it for anything non cosmetic. Hybrid, confusing, scary!

Learned how to work on it myself, before it got stolen.

Guess I just got the beta version of not being able to have your car serviced, due to good old fashioned blue collar laziness and incompetence.

InternetUser2012 ,

It's not laziness or incompetence. It's risk vs reward. It's not worth spending extra time and money to be able to work on a car you might see once a year. Send it to the dealer and work on one of the other 20 cars waiting in your parking lot. If you owned a Ferrari, would you take it to one of the the shops around town? No, you wouldn't, and they wouldn't touch it either.

Now that hybrids have been out for a minute, more shops will work on them. My shop now does but we didn't until recently, because we see one or two per month now.

Gradually_Adjusting , to Right to Repair in ‘It has officially happened’: Mechanic says he can’t work on your car because they’ve officially been locked out of computer systems
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Oh

🚽

That's 21st century ownership rights

bekopharm , to Right to Repair in ‘It has officially happened’: Mechanic says he can’t work on your car because they’ve officially been locked out of computer systems
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Some argued that the new requirements were to protect cars from theft.

Car thieves: Oh noeeees… anyway 🤷

Spacehooks , to Right to Repair in ‘It has officially happened’: Mechanic says he can’t work on your car because they’ve officially been locked out of computer systems

The auto industry is full of POS bullies. Everytime one for them goes into another industry they are totally turds and mess everything up then leave cause no one likes them and they pissed off vendors.

GreyEyedGhost ,

I heard that called seagull management. Swoop in, make a lot of noise, shit everywhere, then leave.

Spacehooks ,

Using that at work. Very accurate.

PriorityMotif , to Right to Repair in ‘It has officially happened’: Mechanic says he can’t work on your car because they’ve officially been locked out of computer systems
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You can just buy aftermarket tools from Eastern Europe that don't have such nonsense.

uis ,
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Do you hear it? The sound of parlamentarism!

fluckx , to Right to Repair in ‘It has officially happened’: Mechanic says he can’t work on your car because they’ve officially been locked out of computer systems

The reason is more likely that they want to avoid people enabling all the software features they disabled because you didn't take the super-premium-customer-comfort pack for 15$/month.

How do you expect car manufacturers to survive you anticapitalist swines! /s

InternetUser2012 ,

You can't really do that with diagnostic tools, but you can change the vehicle mileage. I see a lot of cars coming from shady car lots with under 100k miles that look like they have over 300k on them.

krolden ,
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Got any examples of this?

InternetUser2012 ,

Like what? It's all readily available information, you can buy tools to do it off ebay and amazon.

suburban_hillbilly , to Right to Repair in ‘It has officially happened’: Mechanic says he can’t work on your car because they’ve officially been locked out of computer systems
Dkarma ,

This guy knows dodge.

For the uninformed: hemi engines have a massive engineering flaw.
Never buy a hemi.

zanyllama52 ,
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What is the massive engineering flaw?

Xtallll ,
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The camshaft is prone to failure.

No1 ,
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Can you not press both buttons?

catch22 , to Right to Repair in ‘It has officially happened’: Mechanic says he can’t work on your car because they’ve officially been locked out of computer systems
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