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yogthos OP ,
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Oh this must be that whataboutism we keep hearing about. Meanwhile, I love how running out of resources means it's ok to abandon all your values in the minds of liberals. Mask sure falls off pretty fast.

yogthos OP ,
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The point I'm making is very simple and should be obvious. When the regime has to grab people off the street and force them to fight, then it has no legitimacy. This isn't a case of people willingly defending their country, it's fascist regime backed by the west that's forcing people to die in a senseless war. If you can't understand such basic things then what else is there to say to you.

yogthos OP ,
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However, that completely loses the nuance that Ukraine is not the aggressor in this “senseless war”.

Weird, last I checked Ukraine was involved in a war against Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.

Ukraine did not violate it’s citizen’s sovereignty, RUSSIA DID by initiating the war of annexation against the sovereign government of Ukraine.

And if people of Ukraine wanted to defend the state then they would be voluntarily fighting to do so.

By violating the sovereignty of the government, Russia thus violated the sovereignty of every citizen under that government. None of this would have been necessary had the initial aggression not been committed.

None of that has anything to do with the western sponsored regime in Ukraine forcing people to fight Russia for western interests.

So, now extend your argument: Let’s go ahead and accuse Ukraine of violating human rights with this expansion of power. You must also do so for Russia, who backed Ukraine into this corner in the first place, and who is also committing infinitely worse violations against the civilian territory they have thus far annexed. Are you willing to do that? Because so far, you haven’t.

The premise the west peddles is that Ukraine is defending western values against Russia which is already presumed to be bad. However, if it turns out that Ukraine is doing the same things you claim are bad when Russia is doing, then what values is Ukraine defending exactly?

Turns out this conflict isn't about values it all, it's about whose sphere of influence Ukraine is going to be under.

You seem to be echoing a large number of Russian propaganda points trying to paint Ukraine as some fascist shithole, and not the independent nation being overrun by a expansionist dictatorship that it is. This argument is not in good faith.

Meanwhile, you're making an incoherent argument that doesn't make a lick of sense trying to defend literal fascism in Ukraine.

yogthos OP ,
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yup

yogthos OP ,
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Equating the people of Ukraine with the western backed regime is the height of idiocy.

yogthos ,
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Even if it was true that human nature was inherently greedy and selfish then it would be an argument for creating systems that discourage such behaviors. What you're arguing is akin to saying that you should encourage a person struggling with alcoholism to drink more.

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yogthos OP ,
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sure yeah

Ike‘s departure from the Red Sea leaves U.S. Central Command region without a carrier strike group or amphibious ready group for the first time since October, when the Houthi attacks began following the Hamas attacks on Israel and the subsequent Israeli bombardment of Gaza.

yogthos OP ,
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It was incredible to see how people immediately latched on to this, really shows how easy it is to do propaganda when it's something people want to believe.

yogthos OP ,
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people running the EU are not the sharpest tools in the shed

yogthos OP ,
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But gotta keep the charade going until the election is over.

yogthos OP ,
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To be fair, maybe he actually thought that US would back his idiotic plan, and when was told to go pound sand that's where he flipped to US is unreliable narrative.

yogthos OP ,
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Fair enough, it's not the first time he's made noises like this, but US not backing his hare brained scheme is likely the reason behind the latest outburst.

yogthos ,
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No, the point is that this move undermines western financial system because billionaires all over the world will realize that if they or the government of their country runs afoul of the west, then their assets will be stolen. Meanwhile, freezing and seizing the assets of Russian billionaires amounts to the west doing capital controls for Russia. This would've been a very unpopular move if the Russian government imposed such controls, but the west decided to helpfully do that themselves. This forced Russian oligarchs to invest domestically resulting in Russian economy growing faster than the west now.

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