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Yeah, good response. Keep excusing genocide. Awesome position to have

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I would have explaining. However someone who calls me such names is not listening so I won't bother.

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Why is that a condition? If you want to go from country A to country B, you need country B's permission. There are many cases where this permission is granted semi-automatically, and thus you tend to ignore it.

When country A and country B don't like each other, it's a problem. Try to see what it take for Indians to visit Pakistan and vice versa.

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(Past tense. Pre Oct 2023)
They could travel by land though Egypt. Some of them. Why not more? Because of their government that failed to negotiate it.

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It seems that quite a few countries don't like the Hamas government.

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Well, That's indeed Netanyahu's policy (unlike Olmert, the PM in 2006-2008 that was against Hamas and was working on a peace agreement with Abu Mazen).

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Why do you think "Egypt helps Israel"? Egypt is an independent country with its own interests that only partially align with those of Israel. It kept the border closed because it is its own interest.

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That's a misconception. Israel somewhat supported islamists in the Gaza Strip in the 1980s because they seemed harmles and to counter the PLO. However, that was before the Intifada started, and hence before Hamas was created.

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No. My point is that the fix for that is a single Palestian government with Hamas out of the way.

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In retrospect, no. Recall that up until the mid 1980s, the Fatah was an active terrorist organization. Other secular organizations (e.g. the Popular Front) never gave up terrorism.

But Israel did negotiate the Oslo Accords less than a decade later with the PLO.

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Sure, so planed hijacked by Black September Organization (a front for Fatah) were acts of freedom? Passengers were freed by the freedom fighters from the air crew?

Leila Khaled, seen in this picture, is one of those freedom fighters. She was part of one successful and one failed such hijack.

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I'm not sure I understand the question. There are very few people in Israeli prisons since before 1990 ("before Hamas was a thing").

Israel was close to reach an agreement with the gevernment of the Palestinian Authority in 2008. But then Netanyahu came. Now both sides are more in blame-game mode.

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The Oslo Accords were designed as a temporary agreement for five years. A final agreement was to be signed by 1999.

There's a general agreement among both Israeli and Palestinians whose fault it was that such an agreement was not signed (the other party).

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The siege on Gaza began in 2007 after Hamas took over. Not in 2005.

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Way before Hamas was a thing, back in the 70s or 60s, Israel, and western media for that matter, were already branding the Palestinians as "terrorists". Basically the west calls Palestinians "terrorists" whenever they fight back.

The PLO and Al Fatah were called terrorists, and they are secular nationalist movements. Anyone is called a terrorist but the terrorizing, apartheid Israeli regime.

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Kidnapping airplanes? Is that terrorism?

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