HeavenlyPossum

Mary625 , 2 months ago to israel group Dutch

@sean122 @ThinkIsrael @tzafrir @hanscees @DropBear @sentient_water @PeterLG @gee8sh @palestine @israel

Yeah, good response. Keep excusing genocide. Awesome position to have

HeavenlyPossum , 1 month ago

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Those are Uzi submachine guns. It can be used for personal defense or as a light infantry assault weapon.

HeavenlyPossum , 1 month ago

@PeterLG @Mary625 @gee8sh @palestine @israel @sentient_water @DropBear @hanscees @tzafrir @argumento @ThinkIsrael @GregDance

Gaza was never a state. There was never an institution in Gaza that controlled Gaza’s borders, its airspace, or its sea access. There was never an institution that could issue passports with which Gazans could travel abroad without interference. There was never an institution that could collect customs revenue. There was never an institution that controlled water, electricity, medicine, or food imports.

Most critically for any useful definition of the state, there was never an institution that exercised a monopoly over the legitimate use of violence, because the Israeli state could and did export violence and kill Gazans with impunity.

HeavenlyPossum , 1 month ago

@Mary625 @palestine @israel @argumento @gee8sh @sentient_water @GregDance @PeterLG @hanscees @tzafrir @DropBear @ThinkIsrael

Having control of one side of a border crossing does not mean that some Gazan institution controlled Gaza’s borders, much less that a state existed in Gaza. Gazans could not leave Gaza and, as Israel has demonstrated throughout its genocide in Gaza, external actors could trivially pre-empt that control by ie bombing aid crossing the border at Rafah.

HeavenlyPossum , 1 month ago

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Apples to oranges. The Israeli state can and does routinely project force into Gaza with impunity. There is no interstate conflict, as you might find between Yemen and Saudi Arabia. Israeli warplanes control Gaza’s airspace. Israeli naval ships and sea mines control Gaza’s airspace. Israeli troops enter Gaza at will and kill tens of thousands of Gazans as they please.

HeavenlyPossum , 1 month ago

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“To exit their territory, Gazans had to dig tunnels underground like burrowing animals” is not the evidence of statehood you freakishly imagine it to be.

HeavenlyPossum , 1 month ago

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Apples to oranges. The Israeli state can and does routinely project force into Gaza with impunity. There is no interstate conflict, as you might find between Yemen and Saudi Arabia. Israeli warplanes control Gaza’s airspace. Israeli naval ships and sea mines control Gaza’s coast. Israeli troops enter Gaza at will and kill tens of thousands of Gazans as they please.

HeavenlyPossum , 1 month ago

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> “So if you wanted to get in and out of the Strip, you had to get the approval of the Hamas government.”

Unless you’re the IDF.

Gaza most closely resembles the Bantustans established under Apartheid South Africa to create the pretense that Black South Africans were really citizens of another country and not citizens of South Africa denied rights on the basis of their racial identity.

HeavenlyPossum , 1 month ago

@PeterLG @tzafrir @israel @DropBear @gee8sh @argumento @sentient_water @GregDance @hanscees @Mary625 @ThinkIsrael @palestine

“Before the current invasion, Israeli troops only repeatedly invaded Gaza before” is not the credible evidence of Gazan statehood you think it is.

This also does not count the number of times the IDF has conducted air and artillery strikes into Gaza, or simply shot Gazans inside Gaza from Israeli territory.

Gaza is a concentration camp, not a state.

HeavenlyPossum , 1 month ago

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The fact that the Egyptian military dictatorship colludes with the Israeli state to maintain the imprisonment of Gazans is hardly evidence that Gaza was somehow ever a state. “Egypt does it too!” lmao

HeavenlyPossum , 1 month ago

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Gazans are not free to leave Gaza at all to go anywhere which is not a condition for any state anywhere in the world, but it is a condition for all prisoners everywhere.

HeavenlyPossum , 1 month ago

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“The ability to commit violence” is not “a monopoly on violence.” As murderous as Hamas is, it kills far fewer Palestinians in Gaza each year than does the Israeli state, which can bomb, shell, and shoot Gazans with impunity.

HeavenlyPossum , 1 month ago

@PeterLG @hanscees @GregDance @israel @palestine @Mary625 @tzafrir @DropBear @argumento @gee8sh @ThinkIsrael @sentient_water

The facticity of the observation that Gaza is not and never has been a state does not change because you think it’s unfair to point out its primary architect—the occupying power in Gaza—is the Israeli state.

Boo hoo. Cheese with your whine. Tiny violin. Etc.

HeavenlyPossum , 1 month ago

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I can’t tell if you genuinely don’t understand or if you’re just being obtuse for rhetorical value, but there’s a substantive difference between interstate conflict and the sort of “guards in literal guard towers shooting at prisoners in a concentration camp” that we see in Gaza.

There are material differences and political differences, which I’m happy to explain to you.

HeavenlyPossum , 1 month ago

@ThinkIsrael @PeterLG @hanscees @GregDance @Mary625 @sentient_water @israel @tzafrir @argumento @palestine @gee8sh @DropBear

The claim isn’t “Gazans lack permission to travel to Israel.” The fact is that Gazans cannot leave Gaza at all. They cannot travel by air because the IDF long ago destroyed the only airport in Gaza and controls Gaza’s airspace. They cannot travel by sea because the IDF patrols and has mined the coast, periodically murdering Palestinian fishers who stray too far from land. They cannot travel by land because the Israeli state has forbidden it and uses its control of Gaza’s borders to periodically murder any Palestinians who merely get close to the border.

Asking “isn’t this just like getting country b’s permission” is so fucking asinine. There’s no comparable situation in which the citizens of one country have to ask a second country for permission to travel to a third. Just vile shit that would be trivially obvious to you if you thought about it for even a moment.

HeavenlyPossum , 1 month ago

@GregDance @Mary625 @sentient_water @PeterLG @palestine @DropBear @argumento @israel @ThinkIsrael @hanscees @gee8sh @tzafrir

You can’t weasel out of this by noting that the Egyptian military dictatorship cooperates with the Israeli state to maintain the occupation and blockade. It doesn’t somehow make it ok if you’re getting help from a vile military dictatorship.

How could you think this makes anything ok??