Etterra ,

Oh hey a 3-wheeled tip-over-mobile. I guess the real difference is in how stupid they look.

rc_buggy ,

Is that ~10mm rod on the green one the trailing arm?! They look fragile and like they would get stuck really easily. Might be a spooled 2wd but I sort of doubt it.

If the paths are made for them, they would probably work fine but on a western ranch? nope.

quinkin ,

The brake actuator?

MacedWindow ,
@MacedWindow@lemmy.world avatar

Looks awesome! Jealous of the creater, I'd love to tour China someday.

Delonix ,

Lol

Kaboom ,

Hello mister ccp tourism board intern!

FartsWithAnAccent OP Mod ,
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You have been banned from r/sino.

Kaboom ,

Its a 3 wheeled electric utv. We moved away from 3 wheeled designs because theyre dangerous. Basically, china made another cheap dangerous product.

You can buy an 4 wheeled electric UTV at tractor supply and other retailers, and they wont try to flip over and crush your head like a watermelon.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

We moved away from 3 wheeled designs because theyre dangerous.

Slingshots are a common sight on American roadways, and they've only got three wheels. The difference is that slingshots are designed to end run vehicle regulations, while these appear to still be bound by Chinese regulatory standards.

You can buy an 4 wheeled electric UTV at tractor supply and other retailers, and they wont try to flip over and crush your head like a watermelon.

No shortage of large trucks and SUVs that will flip at high speeds, particularly in the rain or during hard turns.

Kaboom ,

Those are a reverse trike, and made to sit low, and they have roll bars so it rests on those instead of your head.

China did the opposite of those things.

Silverseren ,

Low end electric vehicles of this type seem trustworthy, but I would absolutely avoid any of the high end EVs from China. The amount of battery issues (and fires from those) and other structural problems with their more expensive EVs seems like a lot of corners are being cut.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

I would absolutely avoid any of the high end EVs from China

Won't be an issue, since Chinese EV tariffs and trade restrictions are going to preclude imports entirely.

The amount of battery issues (and fires from those) and other structural problems with their more expensive EVs seems like a lot of corners are being cut.

Are you talking about a particular model? I haven't heard of any BYD vehicles exploding into flames, like the odd Tesla.

Silverseren ,

Just general news. Such as these:

https://news.metal.com/newscontent/101781161/there-are-about-2000-fires-in-more-than-800000-electric-vehicle-related-enterprises-in-china-every-year

https://www.semafor.com/article/02/27/2024/china-ev-battery-safety

Here's one specifically on a BYD even: https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/society/article/3249963/byd-electric-car-catches-fire-hong-kong-charging-station-expert-says-short-circuit-could-be-cause

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

There are about 2000 fires in more than 800000 electric vehicle-related enterprises in China every year

Is a 0.000125% rate of vehicle fires considered a serious problem?

Silverseren ,

Uhhhh, I think you need to check your math there. 2000 out of 800,000 is 0.25% or 1 in 400. And while that's not high as a generality, when it comes to selling a product, especially an expensive car, that's pretty high.

Kecessa ,

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/environment-energy-coordination/climate-matters/EV-less-fire-risk#:~:text=Data%20from%20the%20National%20Transportation,fires%20for%20every%20100%2C000%20sold.

Silverseren ,

For US electric vehicles, yes. And for most other nations, as your article notes. China is the exception, it seems, with much higher rates of fires occurring.

Kecessa ,

The numbers you provided are lower...

Silverseren ,

Good point! Now I'm the one who can't math. :P Though your source doesn't seem to mention the cause of the fires? I would assume the batteries, but involved in a fire can be vague. Same for the gasoline vehicles.

Meanwhile, the original source I have was fires just from the manufacturing of the cars, so not even including the numbers for the vehicles sold themselves.

Kecessa ,

Look, I understand you're trying to feel like you're right but you should just accept that compared to gas cars there's pretty much nothing to worry about, people are freaking out because EV cars are the new thing but the stats are pretty clear, gas cars fires just don't get as much coverage because gas cars are the norm.

FartsWithAnAccent OP Mod ,
@FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io avatar

Any amount is a serious problem that should be addressed by improved safety IMO. Hoping that solid state batteries pretty much eliminate fires but I guess we'll see.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Any amount is a serious problem

An incidence of failure that low can more readily be attributed to human error than manufacture's defect. The idea that Chinese vehicles are less safe than their American or Japanese counterparts is not born out by your citations.

TheDeepState ,

It’s a shame that anything close to that will never come to the U.S.

FartsWithAnAccent OP Mod ,
@FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io avatar

Never say never.

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

Even if they did, they'd never sell. Everyone in America is so batshit insane with the expectation of everything NOW-NOW-NOW that practically no one would tolerate a "truck" that can't do 120 MPH or 0-60 in 4 seconds.

On the more prosaic side, there is no way in hell these things would pass American crash safety tests nor comply with vehicle equipment and safety regulations without a significant redesign that would add a lot of complexity and cost. Maybe you could get them rammed through as "motorcycles." They would have the same stigma as motorcycles among the general populace. These things would be absolute litigation machines in the US.

avidamoeba ,
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We can't even sell non-V8 trucks to traditional truck drivers yet. 🥹 Can't coal-roll with an F150 Lightning.

FartsWithAnAccent OP Mod ,
@FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io avatar

Reminder: If you see someone rolling coal, it's morally OK to relocate their stem valves.

Kaboom ,

You mean a 3 wheeler? Yeah, because they kept killing people. 4 wheeled UTVs are very popular.

FartsWithAnAccent OP Mod ,
@FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io avatar

I might fuck with a reverse trike though...

Brunbrun6766 ,
@Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world avatar

If you enjoy looking like a dork sure

FartsWithAnAccent OP Mod ,
@FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io avatar

Mostly, IDGAF. They look fun and if that bothers someone else, that's their problem.

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