homesweethomeMrL ,

So far, outside of a classroom, the only “Libertarians” I’ve seen in real life are people who vote republiQan and refuse to take accountability for it.

Or people who don’t vote, and allow republiQans to rule while taking no accountability for it.

So, they don’t support universal healthcare because republiQans don’t, and that’s what they really are.

Eldritch ,
@Eldritch@lemmy.world avatar

Actually, not voting is one of the most ideologicaly consistent things someone who is extremely libertarian could do. Because if you voted for something and got it passed. Technically your will could be used to infringe against perceived rights of others. So by rights any true ideological libertarian should never vote. But you'll almost never see that on the right.

homesweethomeMrL ,

Yeah. Lots of fake or failed Libertarians then?

Eldritch ,
@Eldritch@lemmy.world avatar

A shit ton. Enough that most people have no idea there are any other kind.

tiefling ,

Libertarians are Republicans that smoke weed. They are identical at their core.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

I disagree. Libertarians are more evil and stupider than Republicans.

Republicans are pretty awful all round, yes. But have you tried selfishness-extreme, our new flavor? Now with less self-awareness!

FireTower ,
@FireTower@lemmy.world avatar

Tldr non partisan answer:
Libertarian philosophy favors negative rights over positive rights.

Negative rights oblige others to not impede (like not censoring free speech).

Positive rights oblige others to provide something (like healthcare).

RBWells ,

Disclaimer, I am not a libertarian by a long shot.

But - there is a difference between freedom to and freedom from. I think in general libertarians believe in freedom to, not freedom from. So you are free to yell, but not free from noise. You are free to walk in traffic, not free from being run over.

It almost makes sense, I don't think people should be free from seeing things that offend them, right? Or free from consequences. So no, they don't think freedom from sickness is a right.

makyo ,

You're right especially in that it almost makes sense - the only people I've seen who are more allergic to nuance than libertarians are Trumpists

udon ,

You will know the answer if you look more specific at what exactly different people understand as "liberty"

mozz , (edited )
@mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

This is the problem with "ism"s. At whatever point you decide that philosophy X is the answer to everything, you start being wrong about a lot of the world, because whatever it is, there's at least like 30% of situations (and potentially a lot more) that your particular ism actually isn't the answer to.

Libertarianism or anti-imperialism or ACAB or socialism or pro-the-Democrats or anarchist or whatever it is, it's never always the answer. Trying to hold a debate about, well is it philosophy X or philosophy Y that's always right about everything, or any other discussion that feeds into the basic wrong premise, is just compounding the imaginary non-situation-dependent way of looking at it.

Although yes some of them are wrong a lot more of the time than some others.

cabron_offsets ,

Libertarians are a bunch of myopic cunts.

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