PSA: If you're going to write software for piracy, put it on I2P! ( geti2p.net )

movie-web was just taken down with all its repos, Yuzu was taken down, then suyu forked it on gitlab and was taken down, countless clones of nintendo games, platform emulators, and a bunch of other things are taken down because they are hosted on the clear web.

If you're a dev and planning to write software for piracy, host it on I2P!

L0wded_ ,
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I'm stupid, can someone please quickly tell me what I2P is?

onlinepersona OP ,

If you know TOR, I2P is TOR but with P2P support.

But in general terms, it's anonymization network. Data is sent over multiple hops/nodes and the original source is not included. The nodes are hosted by random people. The downside is that the slowest node in the chain of nodes between the source and the target means that's how slow the entire chain is (at least). So, the more nodes, the better for anonymity, and the faster the nodes are, the better for speed.

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mbirth ,

Just don’t use public and free services like GitHub or GitLab. Setup your own webspace with a trusty provider, install Gitea/Forgejo and host the code yourself. It’s that easy!

AzzyDev ,

Not Gitea, they got bought by a for-profit company or something

veniasilente ,

Ah yes. Forgejo is the current community fork.

refalo ,

Why does that matter? The most popular Linux distros are run by for-profit companies.

I'm curious what real-world scenario you're envisioning that is likely to happen soon.

onlinepersona OP ,

Then they can request the provider to hand out your details just like they can with github, gitlab, codeberg, or whatever.

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mbirth ,

But they can’t just DMCA it under false premises. GitHub and others just don’t want to risk anything and are pretty quick with taking down repos without checking anything.

Also there are still a few countries that don’t bow before the US-invention that is the DMCA.

onlinepersona OP ,

If they don't honor DMCA, what stops them from suing you? And if they got that far, wouldn't you rather want a DMCA?

Probably staying on the clear web is good for discoverability, but that's a two edged sword, because if you piss them off enough, a DMCA would be the best outcome.

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ReversalHatchery ,

Clearweb platforms could have an auto synced mirror, and development could happen on i2p

onlinepersona OP ,

That's one way to do it 👍

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mbirth ,

At least in Germany, many of these copyright claims have no real legal grounds and wouldn't hold up in an actual trial. All cases I've read into so far ended with a settlement - as the private person was too afraid of even more legal fees. Or were dropped completely after a while (full of empty threats) if the people never engaged with the other party.

Titou ,
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Just host it on a russian server and problem is fixed

ReversalHatchery ,

Can't they just DMCA the provider then? To request to disable your account

mbirth ,

DMCA is only valid in the US. Those other countries obeying it are usually just doing it to avoid trouble, but there's no real legal obligation. (But if ignored, it is pretty safe to assume that any bigger company would look into local laws and try to find a different way.) But from what I've heard, hosters don't just close your account because of some DMCA. They will actually look into it and work with you to solve it.

And in the end, you could simply host it on a Raspberry Pi at your home. The ISP can't be held responsible for the data you transfer, so they won't just shut down your Internet connection. And if you get a strongly worded letter from some company, you can send it directly to the recycling bin.

sabreW4K3 ,
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I remember trying to play with I2P back in the day and it being slow. Now I wouldn't even know how to access it. Is there something I can read or watch that can reintroduce me and teach me the basics?

onlinepersona OP ,

https://geti2p.net still exists.

I2P is still slow, but that's because there aren't many nodes. It is faster than a few years ago though. I can get download speeds of 100 KB/s or more. It's like TOR in the early days with mostly private nodes and few hosted nodes. It's easy to get a VPS and host and I2P node for a fiver a month or less.

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