Israel kills over 200 Palestinians to rescue 4 captives; U.S. allegedly involved in operation ( mondoweiss.net )

summary by brave leo :

  1. Israeli forces carried out a military operation in the central Gaza Strip on June 8, 2024, resulting in the death of at least 210 Palestinians and injury of 400 others.

  2. The operation was reportedly aimed at rescuing four Israeli captives held in Gaza, who were subsequently rescued and reunited with their families.

  3. The operation was launched in Nuseirat and Deir al-Balah areas, with Israeli forces using artillery fire and reportedly infiltrating the Nuseirat refugee camp using trucks disguised as humanitarian aid vehicles.

  4. The incident has resulted in criticism and outrage, with reports of U.S. involvement in the operation, including alleged support from the U.S. hostage cell in Israel and the use of a U.S.-built humanitarian pier off the Gaza coast.

  5. The U.S. National Security Advisor, Jake Sullivan, confirmed U.S. support for efforts to secure the release of hostages held by Hamas.

  6. The incident has sparked intense criticism and debate, with Hamas claiming that the release of the four captives does not change the strategic failure in Gaza and that the resistance still holds a larger number of captives.

CrimeDad ,

Haven't the IDF killed almost 40k, half children, at this point?

SuckMyWang ,

Killing innocent people is wrong. So is kidnapping innocent people. Honest question, do you think those 200 would have died in the hostage rescue operation if there were no hostages? Also Hamas = Palestinian. Palestinian does not necessarily = Hamas. Depending on how you report it changes the situation significantly. Let’s rewrite the article headline with some reality baked in. Over 150 Hamas terrorists killed with historically low collateral based on the demographic of the area during daring rescue of innocent bystanders who were kidnapped by Hamas militants and Palestinian civilians during an invasion on oct 7

Annoyed_Crabby ,

Let’s rewrite the article headline with some reality baked in

-over 50 civilians killed, over 400 civilians injured
-historically low collateral

Neat. Maybe you need to keep tweaking the reality a but because this reality still seems like IDF is doing what a fascist does best.

SuckMyWang ,

I thought the numbers were historically lower than when the US went into Afghanistan/Iraq?

lazynooblet ,

If so, also bad. Don't use whataboutism to deflect the fact IDF have been killing civilians constantly for months with only harsh words to deter them.

SuckMyWang ,

Aren’t you using whataboutism to deflect from Hamas and Palestinian civilians killing Israeli civilians? That seems kind of bad to but you only want to talk about one side

lazynooblet ,

Not at all. Also bad!

But this comment thread started with IDF, and you attempted to change the subject... that is whataboutism.

SuckMyWang ,

So because a conversation starts with a topic, no other topic especially ones that contradict the topics narrative are allowed to be talked about. Seems like a load of shit if you ask me. Although I’m not allowed to talk about that cause no one asked right

lazynooblet ,

It didn't contradict though. That's the thing about whataboutism, there is no contradiction, just another subject used to distract from the conversation. You literally replied to the OP of this thread with a distraction in an attempt to lesson the severity of one group compared to the other.

DropBear ,
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Whataboutism tacitly concedes the substantive point @lazynooblet
For that, @SuckMyWang can be thanked

SuckMyWang ,

What you’re saying is if anyone ever says to you “don’t throw rocks in glass houses” you’re going to go on a rant about whataboutism and how it’s the inferior view point

DropBear ,
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As hasbara, @SuckMyWang your puerile aphorism is counterproductive.

For example, on October 7 Israelis were taken hostage. That could be seen as a reaction to the thousands of Palestinian hostages held by Israel. The Israeli evil, though greater, does not excuse the evil committed by Hamas (though it could be viewed as precedent).

If you complain about the Hamas evil and I then counter with the Israeli precedent, then I am tacitly conceding the Hamas evil. Two wrongs do not make a right.







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heretical_i ,
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You have to break eggs to make an omelette and Civilians die in wars and Hamas is a liberation army seeking to put an end to the people doing the killing. They ARE NOT CLASSIFIED as a terror org by ANY global body including the UN and they ARE the ABSOLUTE equivalent of the Vietnamese NLF @DropBear. You DID support the NLF, didn't you? Oh, and I'm blocking his one 👉@SuckMyWang with malice, just b/c 'handle'. @palestine @israel

DropBear ,
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One evil might explain another @heretical_i but the one does not excuse the other.







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