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    The Palestinian Ministry of Education says:

    430 high school students have been killed in Gaza.
    12,500 students have been wounded.
    350 teachers have been killed.
    286 out of 307 school buildings are damaged.

    https://www.tumblr.com/storiesfromgaza/734100375392632832/do-you-see-this-beautiful-girl-whose-face-the-sun

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    You're quite right @KaBKaBKa
    People have a right to their homes. Races don't have a right to a "homeland".

    Israel was purportedly created as a Jewish "homeland". Trouble is, it was created on lands in which Palestinians had their homes.

    To my mind, "home" is human; "homeland" is Fascist. Israeli Zionism exploited the Fascist concept to deprive Palestinians of their homes.
    https://x.com/caitoz/status/1801441701246157194






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    Thank you @KaBKaBKa for conceding that Israeli Zionism is genocidal racism. The answer to your question is quite clear in my answer. You're evidently too deeply programmed to see it.

    Israel doesn't have a "right" to exist. To paraphrase article 12 of the Jerusalem Declaration:
    all should live together in peace in the area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea
    as equals
    http://jerusalemdeclaration.org/

    People who claim to be Jewish (and whether Israelis are Jewish is contested) are entitled to live in peace in those lands. They ought not, however, aspire be the Master Race of those lands. That fundamental of Israeli Zionism endangers Jews worldwide.






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    Asking for feedback
    The phrase "From the River to the Sea, Palestine Will Be Free" has caused a lot of confusion - some of it genuine and some caused by willful manipulation.

    I'm trying to come up with a graphic that can get across what most of those supporting Palestinian freedom mean by it - not expulsion of Jews but freedom and equality for all living there.

    Below is a graphic that might end up on a t-shirt.

    Let me know what you think of it.

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    DropBear ,
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    I've been trying to figure that out @peter_link
    The Zionist hasbara is that any attempt to prevent them being the Master Race from the river to the sea is antisemitic. Of course, if they succeed in that, they'll move on to "Greater Israel".
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    @DropBear @palestine @israel

    So basically you believe in colonialism, and that the indigenous population shouldn't be allowed to decide their own fate.

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    Quite the opposite @argumento
    To paraphrase article 12 of the Jerusalem Declaration; from the river to the sea, all should live in peace - as equals.

    For centuries, Muslims, Christians and Jews shared Palestine. Then the Zionists arrived. They insisted on being the Master Race. That's the problem.
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    A member of the advisory committee of the Jewish Council of Australia, on antisemitism:
    "The voices of those who are unequivocal in condemning the violence of 7 October while reproaching the disproportionate response to the events, recognise all human suffering and is a start to a dialogical pathway to peace.

    Jews can no longer stand by while distortions of antisemitism are invoked in our name. The refrain of Never Again must return to its true meaning."
    https://johnmenadue.com/who-can-make-the-call-on-anti-semitism/




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    “Does Israel deserve to exist?”
    "... the only reasonable and just reply to that question, a reply now shared by increasing numbers of people, is an unequivocal no."
    https://thefloutist.substack.com/p/back-from-the-west-bank


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    I can't claim credit for that article
    @indyradio
    It was written by an American. She went to the West Bank, which is hardly Palestine any more. I guess the Zionists presume that all Americans unquestioningly support them.
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    "We write in sadness and despair at your government’s failure to condemn openly and persistently the Israeli government’s determination to ethnically cleanse Palestine and to cause brutality, famine, death and destruction to a whole people and their country."

    "Reference to Hamas atrocities of October 2023 cannot provide justification for the unhindered genocide committed by Israel in Gaza and on the West Bank. In comparisons of Israel and Hamas, there is no ‘moral equivalence’. Even a cursory reading of history reveals decades of Israeli terrorism and massacres of Palestinians by Israeli forces which far outstrip the Hamas murders of October 2023."
    https://johnmenadue.com/open-letter-to-anthony-albanese-why-collusion-with-this-grotesque-israeli-government/



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    A petition to the Parliament of Australia, seeking recognition of the State of Palestine, has closed with 129,813 signatures. That's enough signatures for the petition to be presented to the Lower House and referred to the appropriate Minister.
    https://www.aph.gov.au/e-petitions/petition/EN6173



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    Israel was purportedly created as a Jewish "homeland". Trouble is, it was created on lands in which Palestinians had their homes.

    To my mind, "home" is human; "homeland" is Fascist. Israeli Zionism exploited the Fascist concept to deprive Palestinians of their homes.
    https://x.com/caitoz/status/1801441701246157194






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    "Next month, the world will turn its eyes to the Olympics in Paris.

    36,000 of those who could be watching with us from Gaza are dead. Children who once dreamed of competing have had their limbs torn from them."
    https://secure.avaaz.org/campaign/en/olympics_ban_en_rb/





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    DropBear , to palestine group
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    Who supports the Zionist state and why?
    "...the West needs to show why this Israeli state is grotesque and to ask who in heaven’s name still supports them?"
    https://johnmenadue.com/israel-the-grotesque-who-supports-that-government/








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    DropBear , to palestine group
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    From a 93 year old (old enough to have lived through the times of the Holocaust and the founding of Israel) Jewish Australian:
    "The impression I formed then, and which has been confirmed by subsequent events is that there was and is a deep, shared psychosocial illness infecting Israel but not Jews more generally."
    ...
    "Let’s not confuse and generalise the attitude I and others have identified as underlying the conflict between Israel and Palestine with being anti-Semitic. This blurring of a clear boundary has been used inappropriately and misleadingly by many."
    ...
    "... the human slaughter in Gaza and the enormous waste of resources on armaments to further that genocide could be stopped by refusing any more aid to Israel."
    https://johnmenadue.com/israel-palestine-my-personal-experience-and-conversion/








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    @NickSchwanck
    As Yarden Katz wrote:
    "Anyone wishing to understand how the Holocaust was possible, how people who may be warm and kind in their personal lives could support the murder of an entire population deemed subhuman, should examine Israeli society."

    "... the zionist project, culminating in Israel, is profoundly contrary to Jewish traditions ... Israel has suppressed these Jewish traditions and ways of living while hijacking parts of them when convenient."

    "... the dismantling of Israel and the liberation of Palestine must also be a Jewish struggle — a struggle that should go far beyond Jews showing solidarity for Palestinians or simply not wanting to be oppressors. “Israeli” is a colonial identity that should be renounced, not just because it harms Palestinians but also because it is deeply anti-Jewish."

    https://mondoweiss.net/2023/11/are-israelis-jews-returning-to-jewish-minority-life/








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    The indoctrination is alarming @NickSchwanck and sadly few manage to deprogram themselves.

    A recovering Zionist speaks:
    "I have been grieving deeply not just since last October, but ever since I woke up to the reality of what Israel is, and what it stands for."
    ...
    "The Palestinian people did nothing wrong. Their ‘big crime’, for which they are being eliminated is that they happened to live on the land that the Zionists coveted for an exclusively Jewish ghetto state."
    https://avigail.substack.com/p/grief-and-guilt-by-association









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    @InternetDev @mondoweiss @palestine @israel

    Funny how much you refuse to blame Hamas for its terrorism. And by "funny", I mean despicable.

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    @thegarbagebird
    @TruthSandwich is a troll. He proved so obnoxious that no other Mastodon instance would put up with him. He had to start his own instance. The fact that he could do that implies financial (and probably political) backing.

    Don't waste your time. Just block and move on.

    "... formerly an anti-Semite was somebody who hated Jews because they were Jews and due to their Jewish nature and their race… Nowadays an anti-Semite is somebody who is hated by a certain type of Zionist. Like one of the important Nazi leaders, Göring, said, “I determine who is a Jew.” And so the Zionists determine who is an anti-Semite. And as I say, I’m proud to be one of those."
    Dr. Hajo Meyer, Holocaust survivor.
    https://truthout.org/video/interview-with-holocaust-survivor-and-antizionist-activist-dr-hajo-meyer-video/
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    @omar_bayramoglu
    @TruthSandwich is a troll. He proved so obnoxious that no other Mastodon instance would put up with him. He had to start his own instance. The fact that he could do that implies financial (and probably political) backing.

    Don't waste your time. Just block and move on.






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    @gretared @TruthSandwich is a troll. He proved so obnoxious that no other Mastodon instance would put up with him. He had to start his own instance. The fact that he could do that implies financial (and probably political) backing.

    Don't waste your time. Just block and move on.






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    Whataboutism tacitly concedes the substantive point @lazynooblet
    For that, @SuckMyWang can be thanked

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    As hasbara, @SuckMyWang your puerile aphorism is counterproductive.

    For example, on October 7 Israelis were taken hostage. That could be seen as a reaction to the thousands of Palestinian hostages held by Israel. The Israeli evil, though greater, does not excuse the evil committed by Hamas (though it could be viewed as precedent).

    If you complain about the Hamas evil and I then counter with the Israeli precedent, then I am tacitly conceding the Hamas evil. Two wrongs do not make a right.







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    One evil might explain another @heretical_i but the one does not excuse the other.







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    / Israel rescues four hostages in Gaza raid that Hamas says kills 210 Palestinians

    The only thing true from the spox this time, and probably every single time they bragged about killing X “terrorists”, was this:

    […] "We know about under 100 (Palestinian) casualties. I don't know how many from them are terrorists,"

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-rescues-four-hostages-gaza-palestinians-say-50-dead-israeli-assault-2024-06-08/

    And the there’s also this:

    Israel, "by committing horrific massacres, was able to free some its hostages, yet it killed some others during the operation," al-Qassam Brigades' spokesperson, Abu Ubaida, said in a statement on his Telegram channel.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-armed-wing-says-israel-killed-some-its-hostages-operation-central-gazas-al-2024-06-08/

    The actress Israeli-Palestinian Lama Tator, who hosts an Arabic culture program on , shared a photo of Argamani after her release from captivity, commenting on appearance after long months in captivity and the massacre the IDF carried out to release her and the others.​​​​​​​​​​​​

    "Are these the faces of a hostage for nine months?" the actress wrote in a story she shared on social media. "Are her eyebrows more groomed than mine? Her skin? Her hair? Her nails? What's going on? And for her they need to kill and slaughter children, women, and innocents?"​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

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    @oatmeal
    By some reports, the toll of known Palestinian deaths is 247. It's also possible that some other Israeli hostages died in the crossfire. Time will tell, I guess.
    http://www.thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/middle-east-news/2024/06/10/hostages-israel

    Was the operation calculated to maximise Palestinian casualties?








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    Ah well, that is it then. No need to hide it anymore

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    @faab64
    Ehud Barak is quoted as saying:
    "There's no Hebrew word for accountability. It was not needed in our culture"
    If the concept of accountability is unknown, then naturally any attempt to hold Israel to account must be antisemitic.
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    DropBear , to palestine group
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    As Miko Peled observed, Israel and Palestine are the same place. He believes that Jews and Arabs can live together peacefully. That may be true, but by all appearances, it's true of probably less than 20% of the population. The remaining 80% would need to be homed elsewhere.

    Palestine is sacred to more than Judaism and Islam. Ideally, I'd like to see it established as World Heritage. Protected by the world at large and thus needing no armed forces. I can dream, can't I?

    What of the other 80%? Netanyahu advocates a state in Sinai for Palestinians, so let's make that two states. I think of them as sanatoria. Unarmed and heavily guarded, to protect them from each other and the world from them.

    Plus a couple of very large prisons.







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    Below: cartoon by David Pope, "The Echidna" newsletter, 7 June 2024

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    Thanks @nus
    The admin of Babka, @serge and I have met (online, not in person). The term "antisemitism" used to be powerful. Zionists have neutered it. Quite sad, really.

    "... formerly an anti-Semite was somebody who hated Jews because they were Jews and due to their Jewish nature and their race… Nowadays an anti-Semite is somebody who is hated by a certain type of Zionist. Like one of the important Nazi leaders, Göring, said, “I determine who is a Jew.” And so the Zionists determine who is an anti-Semite. And as I say, I’m proud to be one of those."
    Dr. Hajo Meyer, Holocaust survivor.
    https://truthout.org/video/interview-with-holocaust-survivor-and-antizionist-activist-dr-hajo-meyer-video/






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    “Do you condemn Hamas?: The question we have to ask ourselves is not whether we condemn Hamas, but whether we condemn a settler colonial regime that makes armed struggle necessary for survival.”

    by James Ray in Mondoweiss @mondoweiss

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    “Like them [Hamas] or not, the efforts they have waged and continue to wage have made more of a material impact toward the liberation of Palestine than anything any of us in the West will ever make. They are taking on the brutal violence of colonial power and waging a campaign of armed struggle that has, at the current moment, with coordination with other resistance factions, made the Zionist colony more of a pariah than it has ever been on a global stage and shattered the image of military invincibility and overall stability it has spent decades cultivating. Countless years of struggle have culminated in this flashpoint.”

    https://mondoweiss.net/2024/06/do-you-condemn-hamas/?ml_recipient=123391519249926016&ml_link=123391510330738497&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=2024-06-06&utm_campaign=Daily+Headlines+RSS+Automation

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    Interesting question @jeremy_pm
    The region being a route from Africa to Europe, there's evidence of modern humans in the area 120,000 years ago. Judaism hasn't existed that long.

    Before that, there were other hominids. The earliest remains are estimated to be 1.5 million years old.

    As to "recorded history". Even their own mythology tells against the Jewish. Chapter 15 of Genesis/Bereshit lists peoples who were displaced to establish the Jewish Kingdoms. So Jews weren't "first". There may be "indigenous" jews, but there are also indigenous Moslems and Christians.

    The Zionist invasion began in the 19th century @Sine_Nomine
    Its foundations can be traced to the British Empire, around 1840.
    @zephry @Captain_Jack_Sparrow









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    You're using the Israeli Zionist hasbara definition of "indigenous", I see @zephry
    As their own mythology affirms, Jews took the lands from other peoples. They're thus colonisers.

    For centuries, Arabs, Christians and Jews shared Palestine. Then the Zionists started arriving. To paraphrase article 12 of the Jerusalem Declaration:
    all should be allowed to live together in peace in the area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea
    as equals
    http://jerusalemdeclaration.org/









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    Actually, there is no generally accepted definition of "indigenous" @zephry
    That's why Israeli Zionists use the term for hasbara. They can pretend that it means whatever is convenient to their argument.









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    DropBear , to palestine group
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    Israel makes the Jews of the world less safe. Jews, and the world in general will be safer when Israel no longer exists.

    "... in a rare moment of intelligible thought, Frydenberg states “there are sections of the community which see people of the Jewish faith as being synonymous with Israel”. But no sooner does he say this than he returns to the very conflation of Jews and Israel which causes this form of antisemitism to flourish.

    By allowing this deceit to continue, Albanese’s Labor Party is going down a dangerous path of curtailing freedom of expression, fomenting hatred of Jews, and confusing the concept of antisemitism amid a very real fight against genuine anti-Jewish racism. "
    https://generalpublishing.cmail19.com/t/y-e-mzljdl-dkzulkkty-yd/



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    Australia can't control what other countries do @Uneek but we can lead by example. In my view, Australia should:

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    They were so quick to act on unsubstantiated (and evidently false) Israeli allegations against UNRWA @Uneek
    The ICJ finds a prima facie case of genocide against Israel and our government does nothing. Something is rotten in the state of Australia.







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    DropBear , to palestine group
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    "The Maldives is a tiny Islamic republic of more than 1,000 strategically located coral islets, known for its secluded sandy white beaches, shallow turquoise lagoons and Robinson Crusoe-style getaways."
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/03/maldives-israel-passport-holders-ban-gaza-war








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    DropBear , to palestine group
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    As I see it, the danger in accusing everyone who disagrees with Israel of antisemitism is that Jews will be conflated with Israel and thus viewed as genocidal.
    "Jews in Australia deserve real data collected on real antisemitism. They deserve factual information on fascist and neo-Nazi threats. How do Jews otherwise inform themselves and keep their communities safe, when self-appointed community leaders offer nothing but bullshit, hyperbole and conflation of anti-genocide protests with antisemitism?"
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/frydenberg-documentary-reframes-legitimate-protest-as-antisemitism,18647







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    "... the victory of Judeo-Christian civilization against barbarism"?
    🤔
    Barbarism is in the eye of the beholder, I guess. Which is barbaric, history will judge.
    https://www.gov.il/en/pages/spoke-ft1300524





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    Joe Biden's claim that Hamas’s October 7 attacks were “driven by ancient desire to wipe out the Jewish people" is ahistorical and dangerous. In fact, Jewish history shows that antisemitism is a Western problem.

    https://mondoweiss.net/2024/05/the-ancient-desire-to-kill-jews-is-not-hamass-its-the-wests/


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    @Terris
    The Romans were in there too - and before that, the Assyrians.
    @mondoweiss @palestine @israel @ned

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    Deny their existence @KormaChameleon and when they stubbornly keep on existing, deny their humanity.



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    DropBear , to palestine group
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    “More than 300 employees of federal, state and local governments sign letter warning against Australia’s ‘complicity’ in war crimes”

    “Our major concern is that as public servants we have a responsibility to the Australian people to reflect and serve their interests, and an overwhelming majority of them do not want this to be happening.”
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/may/30/australia-public-servant-open-letter-israel-weapons-military-war-gaza-rafah




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    DropBear , to palestine group
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    Public Service Association of NSW (Australia) demands Australian government action against Israel.




    https://x.com/PSAforPalestine/status/1796008820352622676
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    "... the Jewish Council of Australia calls on the Government to immediately cut all military ties and place sanctions on Israel.

    The Albanese Government must also place travel bans on extremist settlers and those suspected of war crimes. These actions would be in line with Australia’s obligations as a signatory to the Genocide Convention."

    "Dr Max Kaiser, Executive Officer, Jewish Council of Australia

    With each passing day, it becomes clearer that Israel is a rogue state. We say this as part of a large and growing number of Jews – in Australia and around the world – who have been calling for a ceasefire for many months, and saying that Israel’s actions are completely incompatible with our Jewish values."
    https://www.jewishcouncil.com.au/media/rafah-massacre-demonstrates-urgent-need-to-cut-ties-and-sanction-israel






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    In Australia, we don't really know what our Jewish community thinks @MyView
    All recent polling has been conducted by highly biased bodies and on small, decidedly skewed samples. There has been only one study conducted since October 7. Results were due in December, but none have been published.
    https://johnmenadue.com/we-dont-know-what-australian-jews-think-about-the-war-in-gaza-or-the-student-protests/






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    There are indeed many Australian Jewish "communities" @InternetDev
    Our problem is that few are being heard.






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    For me, Hind is the face of the Zionists' genocide @TanyaGKasim
    Her fate and that of far too many children of Gaza is why we must keep striving for the dismantling of the Zionist state.

    If the world does not learn that there are consequences to such behaviour, then you're quite right. We are likely to share the fate of Palestinians.





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