bitchkat ,

I just go the official docs even if their old and then switch to the latest version once I'm on the website. Most of the software I use has easy index to switch between versions.

slimarev92 ,
antihumanitarian ,

Note the versions, none of the results give you the official operators page for the current version, 16. They give 9, which went EOL in 2021.

tyler ,

Can’t tell if you’re joking. The first three aren’t even the official docs and the official doc links are to an incredibly old version.

OpenPassageways ,

Some of this is just because some of these frameworks and technologies have been around for a while and they iterate frequently. I see a ton of Azure content that is obsolete after only a few years.

eightforty ,

How aboout you do your own code? Badumtiish

johny_joe_1975 ,

So many SEO trick to put yourselves into top google search for traffic.

I have google for bug and stuff, and most common bug can be found on shitty content Java tip page with broken format, lot of ads, and sometime untrue/outdate information.

JoYo ,
@JoYo@lemmy.ml avatar

worst bt ever

CCF_100 ,

Solution is simple; don't use Google
I use a SearXNG instance 🙃

fmstrat ,

Postgres is a weird one. The first link probably answers the query, just click the latest version (or your version) once you are there.

The problem is probably so many systems run old versions, so the results skew.

laughterlaughter ,

It doesn't matter. List all the crap you want, but show me the most up to date official documentation for the postgres "IN" operator in the very first result! It can't be that hard.

fmstrat ,

But the 9.6 version, or 11 version, could be the most popular.

laughterlaughter ,

Well, in that case it's a shitty search engine if it doesn't offer accurate results.

And, well, that's what we have with Google.

AeonFelis ,

Hey, at least it's not ads?

GissaMittJobb ,

I've started relying more on AI-powered tools like Perplexity for many of my search use-cases for this very fact - all results basically warrant a pre-filtering to be useful.

xmunk ,

Counter point: we had good search results a decade ago and Google voluntarily eroded their product quality for a pittance of extra ad revenue.

Having a decent search engine is achievable and we don't need to shoehorn AI into fucking everything.

GissaMittJobb ,

I don't disagree, but for obvious reasons, we can't access Google from a decade ago, since they've made it unavailable.

I'm not really describing an ideal state, this is a mere matter of practicality.

Wirlocke ,

Unfortunately the spam arms race has destroyed any chance of search going back to the good ole days. SEO and AI content farms means we'll need a whole new system to categorize webpages, as well as filter out human sounding but low effort spam.

Point being, it's no longer enough to find a page that's relevant to the topic, it has to be relevant and actually deliver information, which currently the only feasible tech that can differentiate those is LLMs.

jnk ,

It would be interesting tho to use a LLM to spot AI/SEO crap and add whole domains to a search blacklist. In that case we wouldn't need AI to do the actual search, and this could easily just be a database for end users by the SE's side (kinda like explicit content filters).

I'd call that option "Bullspam filter" and leave it on "moderate" by default.

small_crow ,
@small_crow@lemmy.ca avatar

I'd call it the Slop Bucket

red , (edited )
@red@sopuli.xyz avatar

This is one solution to the issue, and it seems silly you are being downvoted for it.

Google became what it became, and years of seo optimisation cat & mouse play has reached new heights. Those obviously target Google instead of their competitors for now.

Would that we could have perfect search results, it would be beneficial to google as well.

GissaMittJobb ,

I think it might have to do with the broad anti-AI sentiment that seems to be present here at Lemmy.

Vince ,

I usually go to tools, and the option for results in the past year.

PenisWenisGenius ,

2020 has become the decade of reading books. Search results these days are so bad.

nintendiator ,

Skill issue. Old version docs tend to offer you a redirect to more recent docs, and even then something sintactic like an "IN" operator is unlikely to change in form or structure between versions of a database engine.

kattenluik ,

You realize It's just an example right?

nintendiator ,

Course I do. Why, do you need a link to the newest version of the joke?

kattenluik ,

Ohh I get it, it's so hilarious that no one knew it was a joke!

I guess you can always laugh at it yourself.

moonpiedumplings ,

Old version docs tend to offer you a redirect to more recent docs

Sadly, the docs, I've worked with (openstack and ansible) frequently, don't do this. They have a button to go to the latest version of the docs, but not to the equivalent page on the latest version. This means I have to find the equivalent page again, from the integrated search usually.

And yes, a lot can change between versions. New features can get added that solve your problems or older stuff can get removed.

nintendiator ,

They have a button to go to the latest version of the docs, but not to the equivalent page on the latest version

Oh yeah this is a PITA. Tho in that case it's skill issue on their end.

tiredofsametab ,

You didn't include a version in your query. You also could try using quotes, though this specific entry may not be helped by it (e.g. "in operator"). For most things, you can click a link with the older version and somewhere there is typically a dropdown or something to change the version and, if not, you'll at least know which section/etc. it is in in the new documentation.

If you don't include a version, it's probably going to pull up questions/answers that it finds most match in general and maybe people just aren't asking that question for your version.

I think there's a lot to hate about modern search results, but I also think there's some opportunity to search better. I do miss the days when AND, OR, and NOT operators actually worked all the time and as expected.

MehBlah ,

You can be searching for information on your car and get a similar experience.

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