I suffer from this thing called object permanence

BackOnMyBS , 12 days ago

What's supposed be a different way of experiencing this variable/trait? For example, are people imagining things and believe those things exist?

wonderfulvoltaire OP , 12 days ago

That would be a schizophrenic side effect. This is like say for example you put your phone down and after a couple minutes it's gone but it's still there this is incredibly frustrating to say the least.

uriel238 , 15 days ago

Um, to be fair, Descartes mostly agrees with you. (He later tries to finagle god and the rest of the world with some dubious logic, but that's challenged more often than the initial premise and first step.)

souperk , 16 days ago

Reminds of the "out of sight, out of mind" phrase which is used a lot by the ADHD community. Essentially, we tend to forget stuff either because we are hyperfocused on something (common ASD trait too), or because our working memory sucks. As a result, whenever something gets out of our sight, we tend to forget about it.

For example, yesterday I almost burnt my food because I decided to quickly reply to a message. Before I realized it, an hour had passed and I was rushing to the kitchen to save whatever I could.

Are you experiencing something similar?

Thanks btw, I wasn't aware of the term "Object Permanence", here is a wikipedia link for anyone interested:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_permanence

Object permanence is the understanding that whether an object can be sensed has no effect on whether it continues to exist (in the mind). This is a fundamental concept studied in the field of developmental psychology, the subfield of psychology that addresses the development of young children's social and mental capacities. There is not yet scientific consensus on when the understanding of object permanence emerges in human development.

I wish a good day back at you 😁

BottleOfAlkahest , 16 days ago

So object permanence is way more extreme than what most people with ASD or ADHD experience. You can demonstrate a lack of object permanence in young children by presenting them with a toy and then covering the toy with a blanket, while they child is watching. The child will react as if the object is gone and be unable to find the toy. It's at some point in the toddler phase where most children pick up object permanence. For example you'd expect a 4 year old to lift the blanket they saw you place over the toy.

With ADHD it's an attention/working memory issue. I'd expect an ND adult to know to look under the blanket they saw placed over an object immediately after it happened. Someone without object permanence couldn't do that. It's why peek-a-boo is a fun game for babies but not ADHD adults.

Jarix , 16 days ago

It's weird to hear peekaboo described so technically