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late hatched Autist invader on the Wet Coast of Canada, child of the 60s and believed it all. The Hatching is sprinkled through both blogs, and the theory starts with spanking in 2014 and evolves to what, I guess The Antisocialization Theory of Neurodiversity or something by now - but don't try to read it all, it's a mess. Just ask me.

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I have spent my adult life stressing the need for autistics not to block out allistics from our life - promoting the idea that we don't need to live a life apart - that this world, with everyone in it, has what to offer for us.

This is becoming increasingly harder to defend.

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things change, evolution. You’re right about it one decade, or one generation, wrong the next.
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People supposedly “believe in evolution,” but they don’t believe humans adapt to their own shitty environments. Particularly the Allist is changing fast, in something like a positive feedback loop.

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@GreenRoc @theautisticcoach @actuallyautistic
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seeing you in science or philosophy mode is cool, that kind of blew me away. ❤️

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I was trying to craft something like that yesterday morning and never did, about how the lawmakers - a whole job title just to make more, constantly - keep adding environmental hazards, how every law is another environmental hazard for people.

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@GreenRoc @theautisticcoach @actuallyautistic
❤️ not as prescient today, but I know we always knew it when no-one else did.

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When NTs talk about themselves all day long and we try to empathize with them we are told we are self-centered.

When we mention one tiny part of our life to NTs, we are told we are self-centered.

When we voice a need to an NT, we are told we are self-centered.

Interesting.

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@theautisticcoach @actuallyautistic
sorry, only one speech per customer 😀

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how do my autistic comrades combat loneliness?

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people WERE frustrating, but this is getting ridiculous.
Y'all, really. Unfortunately, it's a bit of an ever changing group.
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Also I have a lot of imaginary, Walter Mitty type shit in my head at all times, fantasy conversations with whoever I'm currently trying to sing, or seeing on TV, imagining how I might speak to some person I may know something about because everybody does.
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I mean, real conversations with real people are frustrating. 🙄

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@actuallyautistic How do y’all deal with people who say that autism doesn’t even exist, and that it “suddenly” cropped up over the past few generations because people have been “mentally coddled”? Somewhat in the same vein as “there is a diagnosis epidemic” but much more extreme.

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@chevalier26 @actuallyautistic
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I would beat them into submission with a long infodump proving to them the truth of the matter, that Allism is the new thing in the world, the epidemic, and what is destroying the world.
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In fact I'm always doing that and I'm doing it now. 😈

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You can't play D with aggression, they won't stop until you give them a reason to stop, like hurting their feelings 😂

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@chevalier26 @actuallyautistic
explain to them that because they are limited in their Neurotype's abilities, they think everything is "coddled," until it's been tortured to death 🤮

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@TanekRune @chevalier26 @actuallyautistic
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Hmmm, let's see . . .
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I couldn't say where she's comin' from but I just met a lady named Tylenol Mom 😀
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She strolled on over, said, Look here, Son, I got a forty dollar bill says you ain't been here long.
It's a thing we all intuit. 😈
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Now, it irked me a bit that she called me "son," but I knew right away she was sure I was gonna run.
Instead I got down to it.
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I talked and talked till my tongue got numb but I still didn't reach no Tylenol Mom.
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Tylenol Mom, Tylenol Mom, where is this mother comin' from?
I done spent three hours and I ain't got got a crumb from this Tylenol, Tylenol, Tylenol, from this Tylenol Mom. 😘

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@TanekRune @chevalier26 @actuallyautistic
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see, it's great because maybe they don't know the song and they have to look it up or ask somebody 😂

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@TanekRune @chevalier26 @actuallyautistic
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oh, it's like the first porn song or something, Frank Zappa, "Dynamo Hum." 😀

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@TanekRune @chevalier26 @actuallyautistic
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a very inappropriate and unflattering comparison 😀

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@actuallyautistic

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y'all sleeping on this 😂
I just love the what, juxtaposition, that song for those people 😀

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@actuallyautistic I’m in shock right now and feel like I could burst into tears…my parents and I are out at lunch, and my mom just asked me out of the blue, “what gives you joy?” And I said, “why are you asking me that?” She essentially responded by telling me that to her, I showed no evidence that I had any joy in my life, and that there is nothing that makes me happy.

I’m at a loss for words.

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a hug and a joke for you, don't tell them: Well, Mom, I guess it never happens when you're around. 😘

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@actuallyautistic It really bothers me when I tell my friends or family about something that upset me, or an incident that made me feel embarrassed/humiliated and they respond in a way that makes me feel even more upset, embarrassed, and humiliated. Things like “how did you even do that? 😂” or “that’s not even a big deal” don’t help and make me feel even worse. It feels a bit like clapping at a waiter/waitress when they drop a plate.

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@Zumbador @chevalier26 @actuallyautistic
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I mean, I know it's not likely something they are going to grok intuitively, I know it's not how they would think about that situation or feel about it, so I try to create the context for them, like, "See, I'm weird, I worry about X (unknown thing), so when Y happens, it means Z to me" - and . . . nuthin'. Like I never said any of it.
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Record scratch.
"ANYway," somebody says and they carry on. 😈

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@chevalier26 @Zumbador @actuallyautistic
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I had lost it all before I realized that when normal people say, "I don't understand you," that is not beginning a conversation, it is ending one. They're telling us they've already given it all the effort they are going to.
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Never mind that it's the first thing after, "Hello," practically. 💔

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Why does progressive look the other way? And refuses to investigate?

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Thinking out loud:
I think the forever human mind, the Autistic one, the pre-Allistic human mind has an evolved brain path for evolution, which really only means change.
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Many Indigenous cultures understand the interplay between creatures and environments still.
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Far more close to home, even the authors of Genesis didn't seem to have forgotten it completely yet, they had the forms of life appearing in the same order we give them today with our science.
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I don't think Wallace and Darwent (sorry, a joke, like "Grommet") "discovered it," as such - except that the Allistic mind will forever be "discovering it," I think they are Allistic because that evolved understanding was replaced with something else, represented by the "Human Nature," business.
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. . . sorry. Carry on with your knitting. ❤️

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Going on holiday in 2 weeks and my brain won't relax until I pack but if I pack I will run out of summer clothes for the next 2 weeks so I am now stumped about how to proceed.
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@niamhgarvey @MaJ1 @actuallyautistic @actuallyadhd
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maybe I got that, I mean I have the temperature problem, maybe it’s , my kid says they got EDS.
I better read up.

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@niamhgarvey @MaJ1 @actuallyautistic @actuallyadhd
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thanks. I have a lot of that, but I have other explanations, it will take some sorting.

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Do you have any clothing routines? I own eight gray plain t-shirts with no tags which I love. I often will just wear them over and over again.

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@flatchulancelot @autism101 @actuallyautistic
I always loved wool 😀

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@flatchulancelot @autism101 @actuallyautistic
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LOL - is it itchy - or is it always scratching your itches for you?

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@actuallyautistic

I often describe myself as a minimal speaker. It's because whilst I can speak, unless seriously overwhelmed, I vastly prefer not to. In large part, this is because the effort of speaking, and it is, more often than not, a real effort for me, rarely seems worth it. Since realising I am autistic, I have come to realise why this could be and also why communicating on here is so much easier and not just because it's text, because I struggle with that elsewhere too.

Language, whether text or verbal, is communication. Whether that be communicating thoughts, or feelings. Expressing emotions, or ideas. It is the medium and not the source. The source is where these things are coming from and it is what shapes our use of the medium and therefore in large part the assumptions we make about how others are using it and therefore the likely success of any communication.

Enter the double-empathy theory and the general acknowledgement that autism is a fundamental difference in the ways in which our brains work, often exampled by describing it as a different operating system. It means that whilst I am using the same language to talk with allistics, how we're both using it, the ends and purpose, even the nature of the information being transmitted, can often be fundamentally different.

An example I have used, is to compare it to a foreign language speaker with a reasonable understanding of the local language, but having to work incredibly hard to keep up with a conversation and having to constantly check their translations and whether or not they were making the right replies and not offending anyone. But to be truly accurate, you would also have to add in a cultural divide, a root level difference in the expectation and assumptions they are making about life and how this was also shaping their communication.

This, I think, is why speaking has always been so hard for me. Why it's always been so much of an effort and often without point. It's not that I am speaking a foreign language, or that my words themselves can't be understood. But that the information I am attempting to convey and the intended purpose of that information, is so far out of phase with the expectations of those around me, that miscommunication, confusion and the all too familiar fallout becomes almost inevitable. It's also why speaking here is so much easier.

Effective communication is more than just using the right words, it's about realising the intent and purpose behind those words. About understanding where someone is coming from as much as what they are trying to say. And that, as the saying goes, takes two to tango.


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@pathfinder @actuallyautistic
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I think I found talking easy enough, but I must have been that hard on everybody else, I never realized until very late in life that no-one understood a word, I never understood them telling me so or something.
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Once I finally get it through my skull I suppose I'll shut up once in awhile too. 😈

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@pathfinder @actuallyautistic
I mean, Once I finally got speaking. I was late and slow and then a wicked stuttering problem, I guess I was making up for lost time.
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It seems like I spent my early years barely verbal and in meltdown all the time but I somehow climbed out of it and I managed to control my environment and medicate myself so as to only melt down every ten years or less most of my adult life.
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Whereupon the environment escaped control and I'm back to maybe living in meltdown or burnout full time again.

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@pathfinder @actuallyautistic
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at some point I had a reset and forgot all that, it's a mystery. I mean, I know I banged my head a few times.
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Being called by something like Imposter Syndrome about myself and the "family secret," I've been going on about, like how did I never figure it out for myself?
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And the bloody answer is the Autistic naivete, I just assumed someone would have known that and told me, why would be on a quest to learn what was known already, what would have to be known already by dear old Mom?
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😈 ❤️

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@n69n @pathfinder @actuallyautistic
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I am just so not true, on the theory that nothing that is true is true, only what is PROBABLY true is true.
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I can't quite believe my own biography..
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You referring to the variety or the commonness of the experience? 😇

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thanks, K.
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I'm compelled to attend a mandatory workshop being run by a business psychologist. Is there any evidence to show that popular psychology is invalid when applied to workers on the autistic spectrum? Because it really seems totally irrelevant and nonsensical , not to mention uncomfortable levels of sharing personal thoughts with other workers who haven't earned my respect @actuallyautistic

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@foo @actuallyautistic
can't speak to evidence, but I agree, I say it every day, NT psych is not for us. When I encounter an Autist who is into it, I think of it like an infection, or at least I remind myself that Autists don't set the curriculae.
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I'm trying to write that book in my blog, I guess, the Autistic critique of psychology. 🙄

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trying to tell the world, it starts with a pat on the bum, but it is not a static world of Natures, it is evolution and when you protect a thing and grow it, a pat on a bum becomes the Holocaust.
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Time is almost irrelevant, you have principles, a function, and it WILL HAPPEN.
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If this seems soon, only ninety years since last time, or it seems long, twelve thousand years. doesn’t matter, you WILL GET THERE, and we pretty much have. This is evolution, you’re changing things with every thing you do, creating environments with everything you make.
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Evolution means stuff matters. There is no “cheating,” it, you become what you do, for real.
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It’s like that one about “I don’t know how to tell you you should care about people,” I don’t know how to tell you that everything is real and matters.
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Dating while autistic problems 🤣

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@amerpie @dramypsyd @actuallyautistic
it really is a perfect example of NT speech, innit.

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@actuallyautistic Somehow got into an argument earlier about fractions with my parents, especially the fraction 15/16. I said that 7.5/8 is the same thing as 15/16, because they can be converted to each other by multiplying or dividing the numerator and denominator by 2.

My mom basically said, no, that's not right because it's not a "proper fraction" which doesn't make sense to me. The math checks out, and numerators can have decimal integers. Is there something I'm missing?

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@Uair @servelan @chevalier26 @actuallyautistic
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except backwards, math solves problems 😀

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@Uair @wakame @ndvirons @chevalier26 @actuallyautistic
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Rob Roy to the wife, in the movie: Aye, and I’ll find a sheep that doesn’t bleat so bitter! 😘

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@Uair @wakame @ndvirons @chevalier26 @actuallyautistic
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honestly that sounds harsh, but it’s pretty fair. 👍

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@servelan @ndvirons @Uair @chevalier26 @actuallyautistic
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I like this, it’s a little like what I was trying to say ❤️

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@servelan @ndvirons @Uair @chevalier26 @actuallyautistic
whups - except that was apparently a different conversation.
I said, I do my math better in English, that “order of magnitude,” means something to me while “exponents,” not so much.
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I go so far as to think I grasp deep time and big numbers as well or better than some, despite being math challenged. 🙄

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@servelan @Havoc_online @ndvirons @Uair @chevalier26 @actuallyautistic
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(I didn’t want to say. Probably “row,” too. 😘)

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@androcat @servelan @ndvirons @Uair @chevalier26 @actuallyautistic
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ah, all news to me and interesting af 😀

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@Havoc_online @servelan @ndvirons @Uair @chevalier26 @actuallyautistic
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(in Vision’s voice) Well, I AM a Boomer 😀

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@androcat @servelan @ndvirons @Uair @chevalier26 @actuallyautistic
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Yeah, I wasn’t aware of his idea there. I can see how that sort if thinking leads to the usual thing, diagnoses and pathology.

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@punishmenthurts @Zumbador @pathfinder @actuallyautistic yes, unfortunately we've all been hurt one too many times and so we have a lot of trauma that we can't just logic our way out of. that's the hard part.

but i don't believe every single human is going to hurt me, and by letting the bad ones reveal themselves while creating distance in myself from them, i can steer clear of them and stop trying to make them act better when it's just not possible for them.

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yeah
sorry, I deleted my reply, broke the thread

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@actuallyautistic

I'm trying to figure out something about dealing with /avoiding conflict.

When I'm in conflict with someone, I'll often avoid confronting them, because I don't trust them. I might like them, but I don't trust their ability to respond appropriately.

I find that honest conversations mean making myself vulnerable to some extent, and if someone has hurt me, or is annoyed with me, it doesn't feel safe to be that vulnerable.

I reserve conversations like that for people who are very close to me, that I trust, like my husband and my father.

I usually hide my anger and annoyance, because it feels like they don't deserve to see my honest emotions.

But I don't think this is a healthy strategy.

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@Zumbador @pathfinder @actuallyautistic
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in ten years I can’t get around this kid’s apparent hatred 💔
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and it’s my main problem in life, been worrying at it every day.
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But they got me wrong, so everything I say is just a new lie and a new crime on my sheet.

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@Zumbador @pathfinder @actuallyautistic
Geezuz, June, I guess it’s exactly ten years the anniversary.
Wants to be marked somehow, with a change of some sort, preferably.

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I'm laughing too, kindly, I promise. ❤️
Your nails are about as long as my fingers, we have such different troubles 😀
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Your voice is amazing!

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