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late hatched Autist invader on the Wet Coast of Canada, child of the 60s and believed it all. The Hatching is sprinkled through both blogs, and the theory starts with spanking in 2014 and evolves to what, I guess The Antisocialization Theory of Neurodiversity or something by now - but don't try to read it all, it's a mess. Just ask me.

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I have spent my adult life stressing the need for autistics not to block out allistics from our life - promoting the idea that we don't need to live a life apart - that this world, with everyone in it, has what to offer for us.

This is becoming increasingly harder to defend.

@actuallyautistic

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@hellomiakoda @theautisticcoach @actuallyautistic ❤️

joshsusser , to ActuallyAutistic group
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My own ideas on and human society. Just trying to get this down as concisely as I can, so definitely skimping on the explanations and justifications. Honestly, this is largely speculation, but I'd love to see some good research done on these kinds of ideas. It would be more useful than all the eugenics crap they are wasting money on to identify genetics so they can remove us from the gene pool.

  1. in humans isn't a problem or genetic mistake. It's a natural and important part of what makes us human.

  2. The (NT) neurotype shouldn't be assumed to be the healthy or correct one, but only the most common one. To be specific, it is not the baseline from which all other neurotypes diverge. (It also needs a different name, but let's not fight that battle today.)

  3. Early humans must have had a diversity of neurotypes, just as we do today, but the NT type didn't dominate in pre-agrarian tribal life. Different neurotypes had different strengths and contributed to the success of the tribe in different ways.

  4. The NT neurotype can be characterized, as we do with types. The most prominent attribute is their ability to acquire useful information socially (as opposed to other types which prefer to get information through study, observation and analysis, or other ways). NTs have cognitive shortcuts that help them validate a social information source as trustworthy based on non-verbal signals or social hierarchy. This also lets them align on goals and coordinate activity across large groups more easily.

  5. As agriculture allowed prehistoric human communities to scale up to larger sizes, the NT neurotype became more prominent. NTs thrive in large communities where social connections and hierarchy are the dominant factor in success, while other neurotypes are less well suited for navigating large social structures with complex dynamics.

  6. As NTs prospered, their influence on society increased, and social norms adapted to the way they naturally did things. Society became better suited to NTs and more difficult for other neurotypes, so NTs had an even larger advantage, had more success, bigger families, and grew to dominate the population both socially and genetically.

  7. Over time, the NT ability to function effectively in a population of millions has changed human society from being balanced and inclusive of a diversity of neurotypes, to being entirely dominated by one neurotype. NTs only have to learn how to coexist with each other, but all other neurotypes must learn how to exist under NT dominance. Welcome to neurosupremacy. (see )

  8. The NT cognitive ability to validate trustworthiness is not infallible, especially when talking to other neurotypes. They can easily mistake honest autistic communication as deception or insincerity, or ADHD sporadic attention as disinterest or rejection. (see )

  9. Those NT cognitive shortcuts have failure modes, and can be taken advantage of. For example: charismatic cult leaders, conspiracy theories, mass marketing.

  10. A Humanity of only NTs would probably fall apart in a generation or two. Being neurotypical is great for sharing known information, but take a good look at history and you'll see how much of civilization was discovered and invented by neurodivergent folk. Some of us like to speculate about historical inventors and scientists who might have been Autistic, for good reason. There's most likely also other important people throughout history of other neurotypes that are harder to recognize. Today, we need more a more balanced population and more inclusive norms, as we still rely on the cognitive strengths of non-typical neurotypes. NDs are now a scarce resource and need to be respected and protected, for the good of the species.

(edit: sharing with @actuallyautistic because I forgot before oops)

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@ScottSoCal @Frantasaur @GTMLosAngeles @joshsusser @actuallyautistic
(I’m waiting on the OP, but I have this bookmarked and I’m 👀

filmfreak75 , to ActuallyAutistic group
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@actuallyautistic anyone else tired of always having to be the better person at work?

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@filmfreak75 @fishidwardrobe @actuallyautistic
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like, don’t do causality, Man 💔

chevalier26 , to ActuallyAutistic group
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@actuallyautistic Another day of being told I’m “British” and “don’t understand U.S. weather” on social media because I don’t enjoy summer time and temps above about 72°F because of sensory issues. Have to school them right back by telling them I’m from the southern U.S. 😂

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@chevalier26 @actuallyautistic those don't sound like people 😂

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@chevalier26 @actuallyautistic
it's the AI trying to hide the climate from us 😂

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@pathfinder @Aerliss @chevalier26 @actuallyautistic
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Daywalker like me 😂

chevalier26 , to ActuallyAutistic group
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@actuallyautistic Just found out that NT people have REAL habits that happen basically on autopilot. This is news to me.

What most NT people think of as a "habit" I think of as a "task," even if it is a part of my routine. For example, brushing and flossing my teeth is a part of my daily routine, but I have to make myself think about each action separately. I wouldn't call them habits because I literally remind myself to do them every night. It isn't automatic.

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@joshsusser @chevalier26 @actuallyautistic
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in theory, when they practice something, they get better 😂

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@Uair @joshsusser @chevalier26 @actuallyautistic just that people don't build their lives around things because they're meaningless, there's a meaning. Not saying any of them know or care what it is, but there is one.

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"in modern humans, language is a tool for communication, contrary to a prominent view that we use language for thinking.",

" language does not appear to be a prerequisite for complex thought, including symbolic thought."

"it plausibly co-evolved with our thinking and reasoning capacities, and only reflects, rather than gives rise to, the signature sophistication of human cognition"

Language is primarily a tool for communication rather than thought
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07522-w

Sadly, paywalled. But, it gives good points to counter the narrative that if we don't have a language, we can't think, etc.

Edit: If you want to read it:
https://gwern.net/doc/psychology/linguistics/2024-fedorenko.pdf

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@Autistrain @actuallyautistic
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https://sigmoid.social/@kir0ul/112670072501322431

chevalier26 , to ActuallyAutistic group
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@actuallyautistic How did y'all discover which parts of yourself were masking and which parts are genuine? Or, figuring out when you are masking in the moment it happens? Sometimes I feel off in certain scenarios but I can never pinpoint what is masking and what isn't. Any advice or resources would be appreciated!

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@Zumbador @chevalier26 @actuallyautistic
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I really have no idea what my personality is, it may al be masking. I know what I THINK, but I don't have any awareness of some way to "be," that would be my own.
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I'm taking my first little try at figuring it out right now listening to Autism Chrysalis' list here on a loop right now:
https://youtu.be/V432ZWNpM0E?si=rumGgiC3d1RmK2v9

catswhocode , to ActuallyAutistic group
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@actuallyautistic @actuallyadhd Is it an ADHD/autistic thing to have tons of tabs open in your browser? I do this :blobfoxlaughsweat: what happens is I'll think of something, open a tab, and then forget that I opened it

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@tine_schreibt @catswhocode @actuallyautistic @actuallyadhd
I’m brutal about it, generally, if it wasn’t worth it immediately, I notice and close it first thing next day, but I’m extremely exclusionary, I’m trying not to spend another minute reading stuff written by and for normal people, life is too short and it doesn’t fit. ❤️

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@catswhocode @tine_schreibt @actuallyautistic @actuallyadhd
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Well then you shouldn’t read them either! 😀

Autistrain , to ActuallyAutistic group
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This essay somehow resonates in me. Since I can remember, I never understood genders. It's simply not a thing for me. Why should we be restrained and oppress ourselves with a binary choice? It doesn't make any sense in a world of diversity. It's a purely social construction that doesn't feet my view and who I am. We are all humans.

“Autistic people aren’t being fooled into being nonbinary. We see past the binary that fools you.”

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2024/06/autistic-people-arent-being-fooled-into-being-nonbinary-we-see-past-the-binary-that-fools-you/

@actuallyautistic @neurodiversity

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asking for trouble here, but yes, that, for sure.
Also, we're more likely to just have a deep feeling of something huge not being right and so we try on genders in an attempt to fix that?

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@337guanacos @nddev @james @DoomsdaysCW @Autistrain @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity
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same, I think, if I heard you right?
Gender and sexuality were always on my list of "maybe that's what's going on," but never really took over, and in my sixties, it's finally learning about Autism that seems to be the point.

chevalier26 , to ActuallyAutistic group
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@actuallyautistic Do y'all know if it's an autistic trait to be super skeptical of stuff? Like, for example, my parents watch some questionable "health" people on YouTube, and when they show me a video from said people, I can tell IMMEDIATELY that they are grifters in it for money. Idk what gives it away but it's like a flashing warning sign in my brain.

I wonder if it has to do with social influence and the effects of charisma/agreeableness that NDs might not fall for.

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@maggiejk @chevalier26 @actuallyautistic
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early digital Music on Hold devices were short on memory, and extremely repetitive, I still have trauma from testing calls into some systems with those, started hearing that in my sleep

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