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late hatched Autist invader on the Wet Coast of Canada, child of the 60s and believed it all. The Hatching is sprinkled through both blogs, and the theory starts with spanking in 2014 and evolves to what, I guess The Antisocialization Theory of Neurodiversity or something by now - but don't try to read it all, it's a mess. Just ask me.

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this is weird, I've never had comfort clothes before, never not had a hard or at least tight waistline, it's like being naked except warmer and I don't have to see myself, this is amazing šŸ˜€
it's something like unmasking, this, "giving up," this way
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I was pondering the other day the theme of , that with Autistics, it can take a long time to find ourselves and do anything (even if we are unabused), and thinking in particular, how do we learn language from people who don't use it?
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I mean, you're supposed to learn what words mean when you're young and it's "spanking doesn't hurt," and "cats don't kill things," how the Hell do we EVER learn what words mean, and it occurs that it takes us extra time, but really, do they EVER learn it?
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It probably sounds awful, but it's good, a change after ten years of the definition of insanity. I just resisted the Autistic naive temptation to answer my spokeskid's latest responses as though they really wanted to know anything. I had said we need to make a change and they said yes, but what about this and that, and I just said, no, this and that is not the change we need, I'm not answering.
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Any Autist from the Other Side got a high five for me.
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@punishmenthurts @actuallyautistic good job! I find it incredibly difficult to not engage with off-topic comments or digressions

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Thereā€™s a point Iā€™ve been failing to make: in the punishment/deterrent mode, they can say that the criminal could have avoided entering the criminal justice environment - and if, or inasmuch as this is true, then the criminal is the only one in the criminal justice environment that could have.
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Everybody else in the Criminal Justice Environment, TM, works there, mostly full time, and fail to avoid the environment of this ā€œdeterrent,ā€ most of their lives. So they adapt, of course they do and we all know there are police families and non-police families.
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I mean. all of us are involved, and mostly we are all adapting to this toxicity.
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Havenā€™t said this for a minute but I tag this stuff for Autists, not because itā€™s ABOUT Autism, but because it is science and philosophy FROM Autism.
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@VulcanTourist @actuallyautistic
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I'll huff and puff and destroy your premises! šŸ˜‚

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Not if I finish the job first myself.

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Thinking out loud:
I think the forever human mind, the Autistic one, the pre-Allistic human mind has an evolved brain path for evolution, which really only means change.
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Many Indigenous cultures understand the interplay between creatures and environments still.
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Far more close to home, even the authors of Genesis didn't seem to have forgotten it completely yet, they had the forms of life appearing in the same order we give them today with our science.
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I don't think Wallace and Darwent (sorry, a joke, like "Grommet") "discovered it," as such - except that the Allistic mind will forever be "discovering it," I think they are Allistic because that evolved understanding was replaced with something else, represented by the "Human Nature," business.
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. . . sorry. Carry on with your knitting. ā¤ļø

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trying to tell the world, it starts with a pat on the bum, but it is not a static world of Natures, it is evolution and when you protect a thing and grow it, a pat on a bum becomes the Holocaust.
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Time is almost irrelevant, you have principles, a function, and it WILL HAPPEN.
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If this seems soon, only ninety years since last time, or it seems long, twelve thousand years. doesnā€™t matter, you WILL GET THERE, and we pretty much have. This is evolution, youā€™re changing things with every thing you do, creating environments with everything you make.
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Evolution means stuff matters. There is no ā€œcheating,ā€ it, you become what you do, for real.
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Itā€™s like that one about ā€œI donā€™t know how to tell you you should care about people,ā€ I donā€™t know how to tell you that everything is real and matters.
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how to tell my sisters that the Chalice and the Blade does not lay the fault of the world on men like me but on Neurotypicals like them?
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Iā€™m trying to create a re-popularization of that book. Thereā€™s almost no sense in writing my own about it, I can just write a new introduction and conclusion to that and weā€™re pretty much done. ā¤ļø
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one thing about hatching, about the ā€˜tism, is that I no longer have any hope that anything I think about the world matters, that just because it makes sense to me doesnā€™t mean it does to anyone else, in fact itā€™s the reverse, if I think it, I can be assured itā€™s not going anywhere.
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Good luck with the multiple existential disasters, folks, let me know how it went. Itā€™s clear nothing I say or do is going to matter.
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@punishmenthurts @actuallyautistic This is a very familiar feel, and one that has been strong of late.

The only counter-glimmer I can summon is something like: well, maybe the tiny handful of people who can agree on what makes sense can somehow band together for mutual support and defense.

Somehow.

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@woozle @actuallyautistic ā¤ļø

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That argument Iā€™ve had three times now, the experience of that has convinced me. I mean itā€™s a thing Iā€™ve said many times, and I ā€œbelieved,ā€ it, but having hit that brick wall three times so quickly and so similarly, I guess Iā€™ve proven it, as close to beyond a doubt as I ever get about anything - and Iā€™m as arrogant an aspie prick as youā€™d care to meet, Iā€™m pretty sure of myself in these matters generally, so that is saying something.
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I think Iā€™m at Zero Doubt, like the guy said on the UFO pod this week.
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The majority mind really does have evolution in the myth section, as an origin story, something that happened in the Before Time.
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They really carry on as though basic causality doesnā€™t exist in the present, as though we are not changing today, indeed as though we cannot change anymore.
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So rather than stop grinding, they say, ā€œDonā€™t let the (grinder) grind you down.ā€
ā€œFight the evolution,ā€ they say. ā€œDonā€™t let the environment shape you.ā€
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The world isnā€™t the boss of you, is it?
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I thought I wanted to be a writer and write fiction and Iā€™ve had all sorts of theories about why I couldnā€™t and didnā€™t, but I suppose neurotyoe settles it, what fiction is, the purpose of it, the formats and the rules, what a story is, is all Allistic.
I mean, they have their idea of conflict and conflict resolution, donā€™t they.
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Iā€™d be trying to ā€œchange the game,ā€ or some shit and wondering why nobody bought it. šŸ™„šŸ˜€
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@punishmenthurts @actuallyautistic

Plus, all art is divergent

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@voxofgod @actuallyautistic
I want to argue but I'm tired.
Both these things are true in different conversations

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I think when that guy said, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear," (I say "they," when I say it), that he was talking about the pesher, like Theiring said, but it sure would be nice if I could think it was about neurotype.
It works for it, like really well. šŸ˜‡
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But no, I mean, why would it have been, what possible context. Oh well, ya can't win 'em all.
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@actuallyautistic
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"Autism runs in families."
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It's true, it's not untrue. But what do you think Allism does? Direct hotline from God, or what?
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It's part of the pathologizing, part of speaking in the language of the oppressor that you see, "Autism runs in families," a hundred times more than that Allism does - or that in biology and life, EVERYTHING "runs in families."
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Out of all the things that do - everything does - how many times and to what end must we say "Autism runs in families?"
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Why does it matter that we problem children "run in families," but not that cops "run in families?"
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Or that soldiers "run in families?
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They are cherry-picking evolution and genetics to speak this way, as though evolution and genetics are not what makes everything and everyone, but just drops into life once in a while to cause trouble. Damned genetics!
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I mean, try this: my siblings and cousins tormented me terribly keeping me in meltdown for most of my childhood - what, because "I" "run in families?"
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Or because Mom's family was Allistic, clever and abusive and hyper?
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It's at least really both, right?
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But let's back out, way out, to the edge of the solar system, take a long view. Who is running increasingly in families, who is taking over families?
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Who perhaps was not in the majority before twelve to fifteen thousand years ago, but is now, and so must be taking over families? Modern Man, yes, with his aggressive nature and superpowers to dominate the world?
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In this sense it's not just the language of pathology, not just a bias but a reversal, one of those conservative accusations that is really a confession, projection, who, "runs in families."
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@punishmenthurts @actuallyautistic If other timelines existed... We may not have computers if Autism didnt exist.

We may not have freeways, or cars, or smartphones... Nor Wendys fast food chain perhaps.

Kill off the autistics, kill off many of the things that exist in society today.

I dont agree with the idea autism is a mistake to be purged. Autism is supposed to be here. We're the canaries that warn everyone of danger. Bullies silence us as the rest of the lemmings drive off cliffs.

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@GreenRoc @actuallyautistic
I agree that savants were probably involved in a lot of technical advancement - but I also like to imagine that an Autistic world with Autistic governments might not let us make everyone a new cellphone every year either. I don't want to start a line of conversation that blames Autistics for the environmental collapse.
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So I see a completely different scenario in my childhood and my siblings' stories - from years or decades of therapy - are crap, ignoring my trauma and what my trauma did to everyone, and so I have to say: years and/or decades of therapy are no guarantee that an Allistic person is telling the truth šŸ˜ 
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Neurotype parses Human Nature.
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You can't be divergent and talk about some universal Human Nature, "Nature," in these sentences means neurotype, it means what comes naturally and what doesn't - that's neurotype.
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If you call yourself divergent, you have to give it up, all the talk about Human Nature, or you don't exist.
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Sorry.

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