The main reasons I've seen from vegans for not eating meat seem to be all about the morality of eating a sentient animal, the practices of the modern meat industry, and the environmental impact of it. And don't have anything to do with the taste of meat....
Lab grown meat currently does still does cause animal suffering since it's often derived from fetal bovine serum.
As a vegan, I still wouldn't eat it without that though because I have come to view flesh as inedible as other people would see tree bark or tires outside of desperate situations.
I already make food I like at home without it, there's no point in adding it back in.
Its not okay, but do they also warn about how much data Facebook, X, etc collect and share willingly with the US Govt? That's the problem with most of these stories is people only care when its China specifically. As if the US doesn't have a greater ability to destroy Canada if it ever had the incentive to do so. The framing is never 'spy apps are bad', just 'this one spy app is bad' when its the government saying it.
I don't think 'past data' is nothing. Something might defy your expectations but its perfectly reasonable to expect you won't like something if you've never liked anything from that genre before. I'm not ordering pizza from a restaurant if I've eaten 12 pizzas before and never liked any of them. I'm ordering the pasta or something.
Especially if you have liked games that company has made in other genres you already know you do like. I'd have been pretty excited about almost any other Valve announcement.
I hope the game is good for people who like that sort of thing.
Well they did make Artifact. But if something is the best of something you already don't like, that's still disappointing. I don't play games like DOTA or CS so outside of Half Life Alyx they haven't put out anything they caters to me in a very long time. Since Portal 2? Which is fine. But I'm still disappointed.
I've been running Tumbleweed for a few years now. It's great, but it's not 100% autopilot, updates often require manual intervention (resolving small problems) or updates try to add 50 packages I don't need (recommends) all the time despite them not being in a pattern....
Curious if anyone has used an immutable server distro and what their experiences were, considering most of what I would be running there would be docker containers anyway. Specifically, ucore-server. It looks like it requires a lot more setup than the other desktop variants like bluefin or bazzite for their purposes. Which is maybe just inevitable for a server, but it's a bit of a pain point to see a list of "if you need this, do this first" for a dozen different things on github.
I've been running Bazzite on my main PC after using Arch for a few years and it's been completely fine aside from a few flatpak hiccups that were resolved by installing the offending program in distrobox instead.
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Seen a lot of posts on Lemmy with vegan-adjacent sentiments but the comments are typically very critical of vegan ideas, even when they don't come from vegans themselves. Why is this topic in particular so polarising on the internet? Especially since unlike politics for example, it seems like people don't really get upset by it...
Lol. "Please break your strongly held moral conviction for me because I want a burger". It doesn't hurt you to eat vegetables. Your eating meat isn't based on any analysis of ethics and how harmful industries are connected. You just like the taste of it. You're conflating veganism as a simple preference like ketchup vs. mustard and are asking someone to do something they would obviously be uncomfortable with because you can't go one event without meat. Ask yourself which action should invite more criticism.
The current vegan movement has nothing to do with religion, except at the individual level. You're conflating being vegan for religious reasons with being one for secular moral reasons. Modern vegans came from a split in vegetarian activist groups because too many vegetarians weren't willing to criticize the dairy industry and its practices.
A lot of people online will also point to food deserts in other parts of the country as a reason they, living within 20 minutes of 5 different grocery stores, personally won't make any changes.
What percentage of meat and dairy comes from non-factory farms and how many people are actually buying from those places? If factory farms produce something like 95% of the meat sold, can we then call it characteristic of the industry?
I'm not trying to be combative with this but want you to consider something. If you see the cruelty of factory farms and decide that its unethical to be killing and torturing animals in that way, but nobody else around you seems to care, would that not be a little upsetting? What does it mean to be taking it 'too seriously'?
You're making a big assumption here by saying that all vegans are buying vegan substitutes like Beyond Burgers. And I mean very big, since all the vegans I know don't eat that stuff or buy it occasionally as a treat, or at a restaurant. Most of my meals are simple with rice, noodles, curry paste, and some vegetables. They can even be frozen or canned to reduce preparation time.
Why is it reasonable to expect me to have any control over what a factory worker is eating? There are entirely vegan businesses, but its setting up a ridiculous goal post to claim vegans are somehow hypocritical by not having a 100% vegan production chain as a consumer, which is literally impossible in the current world. If we could, we absolutely would. But if you want to argue that vegans should handcraft and grow literally everything they use as an excuse not make any changes yourself, I don't know what to say.
Because its not within any one vegans control whether a random factory worker has chicken for lunch. If there were businesses that only hired vegans and sold vegan products (there are, but very few), then vegans would obviously be buying things from there instead. If someone who isn't vegan themselves uses this impossible purity test as an excuse not to make changes themselves, then they weren't genuine about making any attempt in the first place.
I edited my comment after I made it, but you have to kill an animal to get meat. There's no debate around fetal development or rights of the mother vs. the child. There's no religion involved. If you argue that torturing or killing animals doesn't hurt them, you're arguing in bad faith. Even people who eat meat won't deny it. They just don't care. You could just as easily frame vegans as the abortion activists surrounded by anti-abortion folks.
Look at almost any thread with similar comments it's mostly people saying how much they love meat vs. anyone saying anything about them being vegan. Vegans politely mention their diet in real life more than other people because it limits the places you can go out to eat, and they don't want to make things awkward. They don't want to show up to your house and refuse to eat the steak you cooked since they didn't mention it beforehand or reject the leather boots you bought them for their birthday. It's better to be upfront about it and people take offensive to this.
Expecting vegans to cook meat for you is a special kind of privilege. I wish carnists would stop asking everyone else to appeal to their special diets. /s
We're arguing for the rights of animals over the rights of people who want to take them away. I just told you there's no debate that killing an animal is killing an animal. How do you disagree with that? I never said 'murder', that's trying to muddy the waters. The abortion debate is about whether or not abortion is killing a living being. Slaughtering animals is objectively so.
Generally, no. You might see it in grocery store labeling as a tactic to signal the food is okay for vegans but to try and not turn off someone who goes "ick" if something specifically says its vegan. But it's because "vegan" means the same thing in dietary terms. Vegan food is suitable for both vegans and people on plant-based diets, because the other things vegans are concerned with aren't related to diet so aren't relevant to the context.
Do those other animals have the biology that allows them to subsist on other foods and the higher thinking required to question the morality of their actions?
I'm not saying you're incorrect. But I want to point out that many people who concern troll about how difficult vegan diets are to be healthy on are also people who don't question how unhealthy their current choices are when it comes to consuming soda, energy drinks, red meat, other snacks, etc. Some people do, but most people who ask me about nutrition are not people who count their own calories or try to balance all their meals. It's just as easy to be unhealthy as a non-vegan.
People aren't vegan through limited choice. It's a conscious decision. You might eat a plant-based diet because you can't afford meat, but that doesn't make you the same as someone who is choosing not to eat meat on purpose. You're comparing someone who wants to be vegan with someone who doesn't and saying one is superior/less annoying. They're two different people.
Am I privileged if I can afford to eat Beyond Burgers every night but I eat rice and beans instead? What if I can't afford those things, still eat rice and beans, but I tell people I'm vegan to avoid awkward social interactions? You're making up a caricature of vegans in your head, comparing them to poor people who happen to not be able to afford meat, and then saying the latter is somehow a better person.
The option you presented is a poor non-vegan person vs. a wealthier vegan person. There are people in between these two things.
Everyone is more privileged than someone. It's obviously more privileged to be able to eat fresh vegetables vs. people having to eat bark in occupied countries. But most serious vegans will also tell you that if you're on a desert island and your only way to survive is to kill and eat a pig (as ridiculous as the scenario is), you should do it, because we acknowledge self-preservation is real and valid.
You literally asked me the question and are now chastising me for my answer. This is the "how do you know someone is vegan" joke. I pointed out self-preservation to point out that vegans don't go around attacking poor people and don't expect people to keep their principles in those situations. I made a choice I don't expect other people to make. I point my criticisms at the people I know in real life who shop at the exact same stores I do and make similar amounts of money, but still use poor people as an excuse not to change their own behavior.
I think you are a deeply unserious person who idolizes poverty by saying vegans making the choice are bad and people forced into are good. I also think, based on this conversation, that you hold no strong convictions that can't be shaken out of you with a little bit of hardship and can't contextualize any amount of self-sacrifice because of your obsession with veganism being a privileged position. I already told you that people who have no other option are not a target of criticism, but people like you who who use others as a scapegoat certainly are. I'm blocking you now though because this is going nowhere.
I've never had internet service where my IP changes. I understand this is common in some places, but I've had a static IP assigned by ISP everywhere I've ever lived.
I'm cis, so am happy to be corrected. But deadnaming is using the name of a trans person they no longer go by. This is sometimes done accidentally as people are getting used to the new identity of their relatives or friends, but is also done intentionally to deny trans people their identity and insist they use the name and pronouns they were assigned at birth. In the context of Caitlyn Jenner, people will sometimes deadname as an insult and insist they only do it in this specific case because Caitlyn is not a very good person. But using a person's deadname in this way is still insulting to trans people, as it weaponizes their identity and implies they should only be respected if they conform to certain societal expectations.
You don't need an email address. It depends on the server/instance, just like Lemmy. Not all Lemmy instances require an email, you're just out of luck for password resets.
I'm (probably) switching to Proton Pass from Bitwarden because its easier to create email aliases (all in one instead of making an alias with SimpleLogin, then copying that to Bitwarden and making a password there) but I've heard people saying not to use Proton Pass to not "put all your eggs in one basket". Can someone explain...
Additionally, you can enable encryption with Addy.io if you're using Protonmail, which I believe resolves the issue of now trusting your information to two different sources.
Vegans of Lemmy, would you eat lab-grown meat?
The main reasons I've seen from vegans for not eating meat seem to be all about the morality of eating a sentient animal, the practices of the modern meat industry, and the environmental impact of it. And don't have anything to do with the taste of meat....
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Images leak of Valve's next game, and it's an Overwatch-style hero shooter ( www.eurogamer.net )
Though the way the leaker describes it makes it sound more like a 3rd person MOBA than a hero shooter....
The future of desktop Linux might be like OpenSUSE Kalpa/Aeon
I've been running Tumbleweed for a few years now. It's great, but it's not 100% autopilot, updates often require manual intervention (resolving small problems) or updates try to add 50 packages I don't need (recommends) all the time despite them not being in a pattern....
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[Serious] Why do so many people seem to hate veganism?
Seen a lot of posts on Lemmy with vegan-adjacent sentiments but the comments are typically very critical of vegan ideas, even when they don't come from vegans themselves. Why is this topic in particular so polarising on the internet? Especially since unlike politics for example, it seems like people don't really get upset by it...
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Can someone explain the "don't put all your eggs in one basket" argument to me? ( kbin.run )
I'm (probably) switching to Proton Pass from Bitwarden because its easier to create email aliases (all in one instead of making an alias with SimpleLogin, then copying that to Bitwarden and making a password there) but I've heard people saying not to use Proton Pass to not "put all your eggs in one basket". Can someone explain...