EmilieEvans

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EmilieEvans OP , (edited )

You’re mad that the contest was moderated?

More the opposite. The sloppy way they moderate it to the point where they don't even bother to remove comment spam below the contest description page.

Voters voted on the submissions they liked the most. Get over it.
Voters voted on the submissions they liked the most. Get over it.

That's not how it works. There is no public vote.

Honestly I stopped reading. Something about a paid part integration that you got mad about because it’s heavily discounted and you can submit photos even if you don’t have one or something?

Just read the comments here: https://blog.prusa3d.com/contest-experiential-robotics-challenge_97306/

Dozens feel like this isn't a good choice.

Btw. I don't take part in them but it is still very ugly what they do. Similiar you don't need to buy Nestle to understand that Nestle might be problematic in some aspect.

EmilieEvans OP ,

First of all: Legal is the bare minimum.

If you run a contest or sweepstakes and set out rules you are bound to them. Ignoring them like Prusa did exposes you up to liability claims.

EmilieEvans OP ,

Plastic is the wrong material due to moisture building up inside and some other pitfalls.

EmilieEvans OP ,

The disclaimer says they’re trying to get it approved which implies they believe it could be

That's a tough one and I doubt they will succeed with this. As far as I know, they would need to certify a material + process (3d-printer & settings, slicer-software & settings) + 3D-model combination. Far easier to certify a product containing 3D-printed parts than a 3D model/file.

EmilieEvans OP ,

I don’t lube the rails, it attracts too much dust.
I still oil them to prevent rust.

EmilieEvans ,

Some aspects of Printables are "wrong". Contests are a total mess at the moment. I might make a serape post about it.

This? Looks like a glitch/bug. As far as I can tell this is only active on paid items which makes sense.

EmilieEvans ,

If cold pulls won't work get a new nozzle. Filament of choice for this procedure is Nylon.

One of the alternatives could be THF to dissolve the plastic and go from there. Don't know what Prusa charges for nozzles but it can't be that bad to make this procedure worth it. After all it is a Prusa and not some industrial machine.

EmilieEvans OP ,

With mainsail and klipper, you can cancel one failed part mid-print and keep going on the rest of the parts.

There is an addon for Duet (RRF) but I can't get it working. Anyway, once it is time for a batch print the first testprint has been completed successfully and build plate adhesion is a non-issue on this printer.

You have to tell it the dimensions of your extruded head, so it doesn’t crash the part
Ask me how I destroyed two z-endstops this year (very asymmetrical toolhead and Prusa can't be configured to reflect this and with a "radius" large enough it would block half of the printbed (60mm radius or so) meaning eyeballing is the best option).

I only use this option if I need the part before the entire batch is finished and don't want to start multiple prints. Which isn't frequent.

EmilieEvans OP , (edited )

Default settings. Where is the option to rotate it?

Providing it manually with 90° rotated and using the auto arrange instead of fill bed: 5 pcs.
Still not a great result.

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/3ae39b75-fa63-476f-9cfa-e0790b62f77a.jpeg

EmilieEvans OP , (edited )

Improved but still not a match to Ultimaker Cura.

Prusa is very slow compared to Cura as PrusaSlicer needs every option checked including Geometry handling accurate to sometimes get 7 pcs. matching Cura performance. If the result is 7 or 6 pcs. depends on where the part originally was placed on the print bed (or luck? run to run variance?). Not a reliable software for nesting.

With fast and balanced setting it only does 6 pcs.

fast:

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/07b1a9e7-cd99-4eb8-90af-fe69a81b8641.jpeg

balanced:

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/53817bf6-dab3-42ab-a925-e2f9f0b76435.jpeg

accurate:

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/b14c09fe-f2c3-4aa2-836a-0389526715bc.jpeg

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/0ec3d749-8ae5-4f61-8e79-2473c884c764.jpeg

https://i.ibb.co/5Wnzkgw/prusa-heighest-2.jpg

EmilieEvans OP ,

Thanks. See the other comment for details how now performs.

EmilieEvans ,

The best protection is a machine that is well build:

We have ovens in our kitchens that are designed to reach upto 400°C (for cleaning) and nobody is afraid of them catching fire. Why? They are engineered to be safe.

Similiar a 3D printer that has good engineering is safe and doesn't require an automatic fire extinguisher.

If we talk about low-end China printers then the answer is they might not be as safe but the solution is to fix them instead of adding the fire suppression system.

EmilieEvans ,

I like BambuLab. They handled the issue seriously. Resolved it and now it is fixed.

What I meant with low end China is like QIDI-tech having exposed 230V (not fixing it), Tronxy choosing high and low voltage wires with the same color and no PE connection to the chassis, Ankermake having issues with the heatbed insulation (not fixing that either) and crushed wires. That's just three examples and don't expect that other companies are better. BambuLab is a rare exception.

Once you teardown "industrial"/professional machines the point of view changes: PE connections, strain relief, drag chain rated cables with appropriate bend radius, crimped ferrules instead of solder on wire ends, ... they are built to last and run 24/7 without catching fire...

EmilieEvans ,

Cars are a very high-vibration environment with km of wiring and some carrying high currents, flammable liquids and hot parts. With e-autos there is even more including a 50'000 Wh energy storage waiting to catch fire.

While cars do catch fire it is unlikely to the point where they don't need fire suppression systems.

Some cars have fire suppression systems but those are race cars. Built differently to maximize performance. (or military vehicles)

Similiar there are 3D-printer that might benefit from a fire suppression system but the run of the mil 3D-printer won't need it.

Not convinced? Look at CNC-mills or swiss lathes. Those are designed to run nonstop for years in a production environment at the highest speeds to maximize production. Most of them don't have a fire suppression system (they do have a mist extraction/collector to prevent them from exploding).

EmilieEvans ,

Form 2 is challenging to operate for a newbie:

  • laser -> "special" resin required. Formlabs recently moved on to LCDs meaning in the years to come the last third-party manufacturers will stop producing those resins as demand further declines. Leaving the first-party FormLabs as the only option ($100+/kg).
  • Difficult to maintain resin tank. Requires a vacuum oven and an upfront investment of roughly $150 for chemicals. There are conversion kits/prints for FEP film to resolve this limitation.
EmilieEvans ,

Styrol isn't a particle that settles down like dust. It is a liquid with a significant enough vapor pressure to be problematic.

An activated carbon filter can get rid of the vapor.

How do you build complex shapes? ( i.imgur.com )

I've made a large number of custom prints, and all of them were created using TinkerCad. It's an amazing toolkit, stupid easy to use but versatile. That is ... until something needs a tiny adjustment somewhere. That's when I feel it would've been neat to use parametric CAD instead....

EmilieEvans OP ,

If you consider sharing mechanical design concepts as not in line with the spirit it's fine but others are likely interested in seeing how things work and takes it as inspiration for their designs.

Go and recreate it. Nobody stops you. Could provide the STL but wouldn't be worth a lot as this is so dialed (tolerances) that it comes down to the specific printer/extrusion system. There are older revisions with huge tolerances (0.4mm) that work but wear down rapidly. To print this exact version it needs to be capable of printing with 0.23mm gap/tolerance between parts.

EmilieEvans OP ,

Here you go: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6595547

v10 should still be 0.4mm tolerances (easy to print) on all sides and working. Otherwise not a great design but enough for you to understand that there are dozens of parameters to tune in such a "simple" mechanism and it is (nearly) impossible to nail it on the first try. Have we started talking about optimizing the force required to break it loose? That's one more thing that needs to be accounted for.

EmilieEvans OP ,

Watch your attitude.

I think you still somehow assume this is some kind of ad to sell this design for money or I am a jerk for not just publishing it with source files.

Also not everybody spends their time designing and publishing whatever is popular at the moment on Makerworld to collect points/store credit. There is a different world that doesn't run on Fusion360 source file most people could edit and can design parts with a particular material & print(farm)/process in mind to get the most out of the FFF 3D-printing process.

EmilieEvans OP ,

The teeth is indeed a critical aspect. It has to be symmetrical as this assembly is mirrored to block the rotation in the other direction.

An alternative to this would be printing the spring with the contact surface separately and inserting it into this print (pause at layer height, insert part, continue print) allowing other geometries (that would overlap with the teeth if printed in place) and pretension. The downside is it's a manual task and one more separate part to keep track of.

This is small and the tolerances of the center hub cause the teeths/"gear" to move approx. 0.3-0.5mm of centre. This means what you see in the CAD/slicer isn't how it will look once printed. I had to narrow the gap down as much as I could to get the largest contact area. If you make it a sled on one side there is less material/surface area.

A further consequence is that the tip of it doesn't touch anything as such you could remove the very tip to adjust the sound signature. The feeling is slightly changed but primarily this replaced the high-pitched plastic sound with a deep tone.

The nice aspect is that in the blocking position, it is a solid connection meaning it can take as much load as the teeth (tip) can support (hence the trying to maximize the contact area there). The spring element is only there to return this blocking "bolt" into position after a teeth passes through.

EmilieEvans ,

Try with fans disabled or slowed down and enable draft shield in the slicer. Ideally the printer would have a 60-100°C heated chamber.

EmilieEvans ,

Printing fast/without cooling can also go the other way:

By printing very fast the last layer may still be "hot" when the new layer is added. As the temperature differential is smaller there is less stress within the part once it is cooled down.

EmilieEvans ,

Regardless of the scanner use matting spray. Either a commercial that evaporates or baby powder + IPA or baking powder.

OpenScan was already meantioned by somebody else.

The CR scan otter won't work for small parts and the CR-scan software isn't great for example there isn't an undo button to remove the last x seconds of bad scan data.

EmilieEvans ,

3D-scanning and work with the digital twin.

OpenScan is a opensource project for smaller objects. With the PS5 maybe a Creality CR-Scan but it's quality will be borderline unusable for a shape like a PS5 panel. So after all the entry scanner for a job like this could be a Shining Einstar.

Good news: If you own an iPhone try it's lidar first. Creality CR-Scan is only slightly better than iPhones. With Android phone, you could try photogrammetry but to scan the PS5 part you would need matting spray and even more tracker (small dots glued to the surface).

Btw. Somebody somewhere at some point in time already scanned or modeled the PS5 side panel. As starting point check GrabCAD and thingiverse for a 3D-model.

EmilieEvans ,

BambuLab wants to be the Apple of 3D-printing. So they simplified and decided the factory bed level with auto bed leveling/compensation is good enough for the user.

On high end printers there is just no need to level them. The factory does it and the bed won't move at all due to the excellent mechanical designs.

Everything else? They have it to level the corners of the bed and use automatic bed leveling/correction to get it perfect and adjust for build plate imperfections.

There is one system that does level the bed but doesn't need the knobs as each of the three mounting points is connected to an independent z-axis (kinematic bed): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgkK7Fez8VU

EmilieEvans OP ,

I do care and that's why at 400€ I would go with them but with 320€ vs. 520€ you have to put a lot of emphasis on this point.

As compromise to split it between Prusa and BambuLab isn't feasible either. You want a standardized setup to keep it simple. Meaning all Prusa or all BambuLab.

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