World Bank’s climate plan: Pricier red meat and dairy, cheaper chicken and veggies ( www.politico.eu )

“We have to stop destroying the planet as we feed ourselves,” a World Bank official said, as red meat and dairy drive CO2 emissions.

Cows and milk are out, chicken and broccoli are in — if the World Bank has its way, that is.

In a new paper, the international financial lender suggests repurposing the billions rich countries spend to boost CO2-rich products like red meat and dairy for more climate-friendly options like poultry, fruits and vegetables. It's one of the most cost-effective ways to save the planet from climate change, the bank argues.

The politically touchy recommendation — sure to make certain conservatives and European countries apoplectic — is one of several suggestions the World Bank offers to cut climate-harming pollution from the agricultural and food sectors, which are responsible for nearly a third of global greenhouse gas emissions.

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The paper comes at a diplomatically strategic moment, as countries signed on to the Paris Agreement — the global pact calling to limit global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius — prepare to update their climate plans by late 2025.

Th4tGuyII ,
@Th4tGuyII@kbin.social avatar

Honestly, it makes sense. Something's gotta give or we're all fucked. We should already be eating less red meat and dairy anyway since they're less healthy than white meat and milk alternatives - adding the economic incentive would be a push in the right direction to be healthier and more eco-friendly.

Teppichbrand ,

Beans, chickpeas and lentils are my favorite daily superfoods. So cheap, so tasty, so healthy. Meat is so far in the rearview mirror I don't even understand the concept anymore.

RinseDrizzle ,

Care to share a favorite recipe or two? I've been meaning to step up my legume game for a minute.

Thanks in advance, but also no presh! 🤙

MoonMelon ,

I really like misr wat. If you can find the berbere spice mix and red lentils I highly recommend it.

captainlezbian ,

Black bean tacos. Whatever you do with beef, use a can of black beans instead

SparrowRanjitScaur ,

I tried putting black beans on my grill but they fell through the gaps. Help?

bbuez ,

No thats okay, the charcoal adds to the texture

vividspecter ,

Dried beans are even nicer and cheaper, although I get they require a little more work.

Teppichbrand ,

This is not my native language and I'm too lazy to translate whole recipies, so here are just a few tips:

  • Cook yellow lentils with vegetable stock to make a creamy sauce, add more stuff and seasoning to taste
  • Red lentils stay a bit harder and replace minced meat very well
  • Brown lentils with smoked tofu, leek, potatoes, celery and carrots make a great German lentil soup
  • Find a recipe for bean chili
  • Look for potato and pumpkin-curry
  • Throw lentils and chickpeas or beans into tomato sauces and see what you like. There are no rules, I put beans or lentils in every meal!
  • Make a fresh salad and toss in cold pasta and beans for a real meal
Cryophilia ,

Chicken broth + lentils + whatever veggies you got lying around = tasty as shit soup

Just make sure to wash the lentils first

And to REALLY up your game use a mirepoix as the base.

Buddahriffic ,

I like emerald dol.

Rinse, then soak 1.5 cups of dried lentils for at least 20 mins.

Bring to boil then cover and simmer for 15 minutes in 3.5 cups of water (I just soak them in the pot and turn on the burner). Add 0.5 tsp of salt, turmeric, and chili powder at start of simmer.

Add 1 lb of chopped spinach (I use the frozen blocks for this, basically leave it simmering while they thaw, stirring occasionally to break up the blocks quicker).

In a separate pan, melt 2 tbsp of butter (or whatever equivalent butter-like substance), I add a bit of coconut oil also because I don't have coconut milk and generally use almond milk instead, so the oil gives it some if that coconut flavour. Chop up an onion and add it to the butter. I also add some fresh garlic and pickled minced ginger, but these are modifications I've made to the recipe.

Add 1 tsp of mustard seed and cumin (I use whole cumin seeds but powdered also works).

When the onions are done to your liking (recipe says when they are translucent, but I personally like fresh onions so don't always cook them that much), add in 0.5 cups of coconut or almond milk (or whatever, even dairy milk would probably work well if we weren't avoiding it), plus 1 tsp of garam masala and mix all that in to the lentil/spinach pot.

It's pretty much done at this point, but I'll keep the (low) heat going for a bit. Watch the moisture level, it should have a consistency of a thick stew.

Put some naan bread in the oven @400 F for ~10 minutes or to however cooked you prefer it. I like to break off pieces and spoon some dol on top as I eat. You can dip it, but it's too runny to pick up a lot that way.

All measurements are suggestions; pretty sure I use more than that for the spices and one package of frozen spinach blocks is a bit less than a pound (500g).

It scales up pretty well (I usually do a double batch) and freezes well.

India has a lot of vegetarians and a lot of foods that don't just try to be vegetarian versions of meat dishes, so I suggest checking out more Indian recipes if you'd like more options.

Theharpyeagle ,

Any advice for a person who doesn't really like the mushy texture of beans or chickpeas? I love hummus but I can't do whole chickpeas.

grysbok ,
@grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Whole chickpeas do have a disagreeable texture. Black beans and edamame don't squick me the same way, so maybe give them a try if you haven't already?

Teppichbrand , (edited )

I love hummus, too!

  • Try black beans and edamame, they are more crunchy.
  • Try different brands and put small amounts in every meal until you get used to it.
  • Buy a pressure cooker and cook dried beans yourself. The are cheaper und the texture is so much better! You can cook more than you need and put them in the freezer for later use.
vividspecter ,

You can roast them in an airfryer. Chickpeas in particular come out well that way.

Cryophilia ,

Roasted chickpeas with cauliflower is the bomb, especially with some cajun seasoning

Danquebec ,

There are several recipes that call for mashed chickpeas. Especially sandwishes.

You can make burger patties with mashed beans or mashed chickpeas, and another ingredient that holds it together such as crumbled bread.

When you have cooked black beans, you can blend them, with onions, garlic, salt, and romarino, and use them as filling for soft maize tacos, with spicy sauce. I've also been meaning to try them as a dip for maize chips, haven't done that yet.

There's also something weird that I sometimes do, in that I've never heard of anyone else doing that or seen any recipe for that, it's just something I do: I blend romano beans into a pizza sauce. I put a generous amount of sauce on my pizza, and lot of vegetables. I love my pizzas like this and it makes for a complete meal with protein.

BruceTwarzen ,

Meat and dairy should be way more expensive in general

wafflez ,

It is it's just paid with tax dollars in many countries

Ekybio ,
@Ekybio@lemmy.world avatar

I cant wait for some conservative idiot to spin this in the worst possible way. Mixed in with some lies, whataubout-isms and straw-mans for a delicious disinformation-coktail!

mynachmadarch ,

Florida has already started the "they're coming for our meat" with the lab grown meat ban if you haven't seen.

SlopppyEngineer ,

In Europe soy milk can't legally be called milk anymore. It's Soy Drink on the packaging. The farmers won that one. Now they're coming after vegi burgers allowed to be called burgers.

Rozz ,

what's a better name we could come up with for Soy Drink? we just need a new word

SlopppyEngineer ,

I think it now just says SOY or OATS on the packaging. Seems marketing figured out that if you stop the drink you can increase the font size.

mynachmadarch ,

Nut Juice

Kaliax ,

Legume Malk

postmateDumbass ,

Bean Nectar

bbuez ,

"Notmilk"? I mean its not milk, and kinda rolls like nut milk

vividspecter ,

I always drink plenty of malk.

But seriously I've seen malk and also just "m*lk".

barsoap ,

According to German "what to call stuff that's not actually juice" rules, assuming for a second that we consider soy a fruit, it'd be "soy nectar".

Hacksaw ,

They won't win burger or sausage or anything like that. You can already put what you want in those, breadcrumbs, vegetable protein, fruits and vegetables, various flavours and spices, and it's still a burger/sausage.

The milk I get. Milk was highly controlled in terms of what adultrants were allowed, so when they say "we can't even add extra aspartame, but they can make the whole thing out of oats?" They get a lot of traction. Now why they wanted to add aspartame I don't have a fucking clue.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2013/03/06/173618723/can-milk-sweetened-with-aspartame-still-be-called-milk

Num10ck ,

milk-like plant juices or saps have been called milk since 1200. such as milk of magnesia, milk of almond

Hacksaw ,

That's very true.

I'm just saying that Milk is a regulated term that's already been used to stop the milk industry from misbehaving so it's easy for the milk industry to use it to keep out competitors. Burgers, sausages, and other highly mixed foods aren't regulated the same way and I don't expect the meat industry to have any success on those fronts outside of rogue states like Florida.

Nachorella ,

Stuff like this is so silly. I understand having rules around how things are named, nobody wants to be misled about what they're buying. But were cow juice enthusiasts really getting tricked into buying soy juice? Do we have to specify the animal? Can I sell rat milk as 'milk' and they'd be ok? What's the difference between that and oat milk? So long as the origin of the milk is clear I really don't see the issue.

Obviously I know it's just dairy industry deep pockets doing what they can to remain #1 but it's just so silly.

Hacksaw ,

Well it was originally designed to stop the dairy industry from putting weird stuff in milk, so there definitely a need because they kept trying to put weird stuff in it.

Nachorella ,

That part I understand, no more formaldehyde and brains in the milk. It's more the industry fighting against the term being used for alternative milks which should have their own standards associated with them. Coconut milk and cream have existed for ages and nobody cares. But my (dairy farmer) family all of a sudden have really strong opinions on using the term milk for alternative milks. Or other generic terms being used for vegan products like mince, sausage, burger, steak. All of these things typically have a word in front to describe what they're made of, but for some reason certain people get real worked up when that word is 'vegetable'.

Hacksaw ,

Being a regulator is like being a teacher. There is one kids who keeps putting crayons in his nose so you make a no crayons in your nose rule to stop him and it works great until this one kid uses crayons in nostrils to make amazing pictures for a talent show and suddenly the first kid says "hey I thought you said no nose crayons, why is she allowed crayons now"

The main problem is that it's actually super hard to have a regulatory definition of "milk" that forces the dairy industry to not put stuff in milk, but also allows up to 100% of the product to be oats.

Vegan steak will be difficult for the same reasons. But I would guess vegan sausage, burgers, nuggets, boneless wings etc... will be very easy to approve since some products are already more fillers than meat already lol!

AA5B ,

Simple. “Milk” is different from “soy milk”, just like “milk” is different from “sweetened milk” (in what godforsaken realm is aspartame in milk?). How is this not already handled?

Hacksaw ,

I know it feels easy to armchair regulate but it's not usually that easy. Like if you keep current milk regulations but then let people add a word before milk to escape the rules (to allow oat milk for example) then the dairy industry will pull shit like "pure milk" and "super milk" to escape the rules. It's a cat and mouse game as soon as you start adding exceptions.

Milk is one of the longest regulated foods because the dairy industry misbehaves so much. The industrialisation of milk was so bad it caused tuberculosis outbreaks among other things.

I'm not saying there isn't a good solution, there are always many good solutions possible. All I'm saying is not to forget that there is a reason the word milk was regulated for so long. Whatever exception is carved out for almond milk has to be well constructed enough not to weaken the current milk standards, yet broad enough to allow for any variety of plant based milk and that's going to take some serious expertise. Enshrining plant based milks in a well thought out regulation is going to be the best way to stop this whole "only animal milk is milk" stuff. Until then the dairy industry is going to keep using the regulation to its advantage whenever it can to keep others out of the market.

Mrs_deWinter ,

But that's not how it was framed at the courts at all, proven by the fact that all the other product names containing "milk" were considered okay. It was specifically argued that customers could be confused to accidentally buy the vegan variant. Based on your arguments "coconut milk" should be problematic, but it isn't. Soy milk and almond milk could have been grandfathered in, but they weren't, and the reason very specifically was pressure from the dairy industry targeting their competition.

Hacksaw ,

Until then the dairy industry is going to keep using the regulation to its advantage whenever it can to keep others out of the market.

I don't know what's confusing.

1.A regulation was created to control what you can and can't put in the product called "milk" for the good of the customer.

2.The dairy industry used the regulation that was built to restrain them to keep vegan milks out of the market dishonestly using the "for the good of the customer" argument.

3.If someone can fix the regulation to allow both well regulated milk and non dairy milks then it'll put an end to this bullshit.

Where have I lost you? Just because 2 happened doesn't mean 1 didn't happen first. In fact 2 would have been a lot harder if there wasn't regulation controlling the word milk in the first place.

jumjummy ,

This problem is worse with cheese, using words like “cheese product” or “butter flavoring” for butter. Nobody is getting confused about Oat milk not being from cows, but these “not quite cheese” products are misleading.

tiefling ,

My arguments to "if it's not from an animal or isn't milk" are:

  1. What do you call the white liquid inside a coconut?
  2. What do you call the laxative/antacid that comes in a blue bottle?
SoleInvictus ,
  1. Coconut drink
  2. Drink of magnesia

It's just that simple!

/s

postmateDumbass ,

Magnesia Julius. Just add nutmeg.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

The coco NUT

AA5B ,
  1. Gross
  2. Also gross
tektite ,

That's coconut water. Coconut milk is made of processed meat!

Gigasser ,

It would be funny if you just started calling it coconut malk instead of milk. Literally just changing the word milk by one letter.

lost_faith ,

Malk is rat milk, iirc

irreticent ,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

I've got nipples, Greg. Can you milk me?

illi ,

This drivesme nuts. On the other hand I enjoy the companies working around it such as calling their products "Not M*lk" and such.

barsoap ,

Not "anymore" it never could be called that. Figures that soy beverages are not a product containing excretions of mammary glands.

Next up: You can't call salt sugar. Oh the tyranny!

...things like coconut milk got grandfathered in based on local usage when the regulation was enacted, in any case that was before Alpro started to sell you 4ct of plants and 0.0001ct of water for three Euros.

lost_faith ,

That's stupid. I'd take lab grown meat, the vegemeats are ok, but I crave real meat and this is best for all. Less land dedicated to animal farming (they can actually graze and live their lives cruelty free) and less farm land for livestock feed(i forget how much land is used to feed our food)? That means even more food grown directly for us, isn't this the goal?

BassTurd ,

Iowa did something already last year being a major pork producer. Kim Reynolds and her GOP ilk fucking suck. Already ruined and continuing to destroy a once nice and progressive state with shitty policy and hate. Remember when Iowa was at the front of gay marriage? I miss being proud of at last some of the changes coming from here, now I can't get if here fast enough. Finally got a WFH position, now I just need to convince my wife that she can fly back to see her parents that live about 3 hours away as is.

postmateDumbass ,

Iowa was at the front of gay marriage?

I still can hear the podcasts about America's growing homosexual corn problem. Even if they never happened.

sirico ,
@sirico@feddit.uk avatar

Dinosaurs back on the menu boyz

wafflez ,

Not in Florida

pineapple_pizza ,

As a bonus it's much healthier. Win win.
Though a large portion of the population won't see it that way.

Carrolade ,

may be turned into a culture war battle

May be? Bit optimistic, don't you think?

muse ,
@muse@fedia.io avatar

Already, more like

grysbok ,
@grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Me "not eating pork" is already a political statement to my mom's side of the family and has been for a at least a decade. A government body recommending less beef? The horror!

frezik ,

Bet they claim there's not enough land for solar panels, too. If we all eat one or two fewer burgers every week, there's plenty of land.

autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:

In a new paper, the international financial lender suggests repurposing the billions rich countries spend to boost CO2-rich products like red meat and dairy for more climate-friendly options like poultry, fruits and vegetables.

The politically touchy recommendation — sure to make certain conservatives and European countries apoplectic — is one of several suggestions the World Bank offers to cut climate-harming pollution from the agricultural and food sectors, which are responsible for nearly a third of global greenhouse gas emissions.

According to the report, countries must funnel $260 billion each year into those sectors to get serious about erasing their emissions by 2050 — a common goal for developed economies.

Governments can partly plug the gap by reorienting subsidies for red meat and dairy products toward lower-carbon alternatives, the World Bank says.

The switch is one of the most cost-effective ways for wealthy countries — estimated to generate roughly 20 percent of the world’s agri-food emissions — to reduce demand for highly polluting food, it argues.

Food is an "intensely personal choice," he added, saying he fears that what should be a data-based debate may be turned into a culture war battle.

The original article contains 439 words, the summary contains 187 words. Saved 57%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

_haha_oh_wow_ ,
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

Sounds good to me, I love chicken and veggies!

grysbok ,
@grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Same! Well, TBH chicken often tastes gross to me (grew up with a parent that thought 'boil it in maybe-salted water' was the way to go). But there's plenty of non-beef options! Tofu, turkey, textured vegetable protein, it's all good. (TVP's great for things like sauces, where you just need the texture of ground beef, but the other flavors would drown it out anyway). Even a peanut butter and jelly sandwich makes for an easy work lunches.

_haha_oh_wow_ ,
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

Grilled, baked, and fried are all good ways to try chicken but boiled? Damn, no thanks.

Hugh_Jeggs ,

TIL some people never heard of poached chicken. It's great if you poach it in really strong stock, comes out really moist. Great for shredding or chunks in salad

grysbok ,
@grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I think the important bit is "maybe-salted water". My same parent didn't like garlic, so I didn't get exposed to it (or most other seasonings) until college.

Not to worry. My partner is trying to make up for lost time keeps incorporating actually-seasoned chicken into meals. I'm to the point where "well, it tastes good when he does it, but I'll still not cook chicken for myself or order it in a restaurant".

_haha_oh_wow_ ,
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yeah, boiling a chicken sounds nasty as hell, but I guess if you did it right it could be good. Closest thing I've heard of is chicken soup lol

SpaceNoodle ,

Ground turkey is actually a surprisingly good ground beef substitute in a number of dishes.

BeardedBlaze ,
@BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world avatar

We've been using ground turkey instead of ground beef for couple of years now, never had a dish where I missed the beef.

0110010001100010 ,
@0110010001100010@lemmy.world avatar

We use ground turkey almost all the time over ground beef. It's great in chili, tacos, meat sauce, lasagna, etc. The only time I use ground beef anymore is when I get it free from my folks (they always support a local 4h kid and purchase part of a cow).

Buddahriffic ,

I've been using ground pork, chicken, and turkey instead of beef for the most part for a while now. I've noticed that when I do use beef, it's kinda gross compared to the others. Like it can get a bit of a BO smell to it.

It made me realize I don't even really like beef. I've mostly gravitated to instances of it that grind it up and mix with a bunch of spices and stuff like meatballs and burgers. The beef flavour itself isn't really pleasant, I find.

SpaceNoodle ,

Well, you might just be buying trash beef.

I still enjoy beef, I'm just eating far less of it than before.

Buddahriffic ,

It is possible, but even if there is beef I'd enjoy now, at this point I'd rather go on believing there isn't. I don't think I'm missing much.

RvTV95XBeo ,

TBH chicken often tastes gross to me (grew up with a parent that thought 'boil it in maybe-salted water' was the way to go).

Funny, this is why most people hate veggies

grysbok ,
@grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I also suspect an overexposure to canned veggies is also to blame. Canned veggies can be soggy-gross. I really like frozen veggies, though. They fill the same "lasts nearly forever" niche, but with a better texture.

Oh, and kale can go stuff itself. Kale and collard greens are the only two leafy greens I just can't stand.

catloaf ,

Canned green beans are great. I love them mushy, hate them crunchy. No idea why.

Frozen veggies are good, but they don't always cook the same. Frozen Brussels sprouts fry up great, but I tried roasting them on the grill last night and they just turned mushy. Not sure if it was them or me, but I've done fresh ones on the grill just fine.

mynachmadarch ,

Don't worry, it's not you, it's them.

They fried okay because the oil physically alters the brussel sprout by more evenly distributing heat and then driving water out, firming it up.

When things are frozen though the water in their cells expand and can rip themselves apart. When you grilled them, these weaker cell walls didn't have any chemical or physical reactions firming them up. They just sort of steam themselves and go limp.

grysbok ,
@grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I'm also a fan of canned green beans, but only the french sliced ones. I think that helps with the stringiness you can sometimes get. Oh! Creamed corn is also a lovely comfort food for me.

RvTV95XBeo ,

Kale, IMO, has to be cooked. I love a good roasted/destemmed kale tossed onto just about anything, but raw kale can fuck right off.

Th4tGuyII ,
@Th4tGuyII@kbin.social avatar

Yeah, my parents took this approach with veggies too. Luckily it didn't put me off completely, but I can certainly see how it could.

It's a shame how many of my parent's generation just don't know how to cook anything that isn't boil it in a pot until it's soft - it isn't like the other, tastier methods are difficult or take longer either.

AA5B ,

It’s kind of funny that I’m very open to all sorts of new goods but still “traumatized” by the overcooked slop I got served as vegetables as a kid. Who knew spinach wasn’t this black slimy stuff from a can, but can be a tasty leafy vegetable?

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