qarbone ,

"If you don't stop committing a humanitarian crisis, we're going to stop sending humanitarian aid!"

...

What?

Keeponstalin ,

This is the situation Israel has been aiming for

These attacks have led UNRWA to declare that Gaza is currently the most dangerous place on Earth for aid workers, making it extremely difficult for groups to carry out the work necessary to stem the famine and various epidemics raging across Gaza — that is, when Israel even allows the materials needed for such efforts to cross the border.

Fedizen ,

This announcement likely resulted in aid workers being raised on the list of priority targets

Red_October ,

Yeah I'm sure that'll... help? Israel is the one dropping airstrikes on refugee camps, what makes anyone think they actually want any aid in Gaza at all?

Trofont ,

Yea my first thought when I saw the news was

"oh no, its exactly what we wanted" -Israel

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

All according to keikaku - israel

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

Note: keikaku means plan.

danekrae ,

Then send in armed forces to do it instead. Why can we send aid workers but not soldiers?

Tryptaminev ,

Because most of the military powers of the world are aligned with Israel and actively enabling and supporting this genocide.

It would all be over tomorrow if the US, UK, Germany and other fascist friends would stop sending any weapons, threaten sanctions and if necessary impose a no fly zone over Gaza. Instead Israel gets more F16s to be able to bomb even faster.

BangCrash ,

It all be over tomorrow if Palestine released the hostages

Tryptaminev ,

Stop spreading propaganda lies. Netanyahu said he will not stop until "Hamas is destroyed" aka the genocide is finished.

BangCrash ,

I don't care what Netanyahu says.

If the hostages were all released the international pressure from every country INCLUDING Israel's biggest supporters would be massive.

The reason they are allowed to keep buying weapons is BECAUSE the hostages are not released.

You want the sanctions to start and the war to end then the hostages must be released

Tryptaminev ,

Ahh yeah? Like the international pressure against the ethnic cleansing and annexation of the Westbank before October 7? Like the international pressure after the murder of Shireen Abu Akleh? Like the international pressure when Israeli soldiers were openly praising their counts of murdered children during the peaceful march of return protests?

You think the countries that were fine with all of this and continued to be fine with the destruction of all of Gaza, the deliberate starvation and displacement of two million people and the genocidial murder of over 40.000 of which more than 17.000 are children would somehow start having a problem with that, when Israel got back the remaining 100 hostages?

You know this is bullshit and you are lying in order to justify more of the things described by distracting from them with bullshit tropes.

theacharnian ,

Unsurprisingly, that's when your interlocutor disappears from the conversation and you're not going to get a response, obviously.

jorp ,

damn where do I sign up to live in simple naive fantasy land

theacharnian ,

Define "all". Because the status quo ante before October 7th was already a fucking crime.

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

Really the Israeli occupation of Palestine which long predates Oct 7th would be over if the hostages were released?

veganpizza69 ,
@veganpizza69@lemmy.world avatar

From concentration camp to death camp

underisk ,
@underisk@lemmy.ml avatar

Maybe one of the member nations could do something to create that safety instead of throwing up their hands as Gaza starves. Or even just acknowledge that this is exactly what Israel wanted to achieve by killing aid workers.

Tryptaminev ,

No no you see this is antisemitic. Israel is the most moral country with the most moral army. Hamas is always targeting civillians, Israel is just killing them without targeting them. And if they did it were actually Hamas fighters, and if they werent it was their fault. And if it wasnt then it was a mistake and if it wasnt that either then a single soldier stepped out of line and got like two weeks of community service for it, so Israel remains the most moral entity in the world.

sunzu ,

Is this supposed to be a threat to Israel?

lol

Tryptaminev ,

In a world were the US, UK, Germany and others who still stand by the fascists in Israel weren't mass murdering fascists themselves it would be a reason for them to cut ties and sanction the hell out of Israel.

A_Random_Idiot ,
@A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world avatar

Israel: "Oh, Thats a shame furiously launches more attacks against aid workers"

givesomefucks OP ,

Israel has acknowledged some military strikes on humanitarian workers, including an April attack that killed seven workers with the World Central Kitchen and has denied allegations of others.

So Israel doesn't want any aid to Gaza...

Have killed aid workers multiple times...

And now aid workers are being pulled because Israel keeps killing them.

Sounds like the UN is negotiating with a terrorist state.

JustZ , (edited )

Or, you don't know what you're talking about....and Israel actually does care about getting aid into the country, and that's why the UN framed this as a warning.

Edit: Shout out to absolute know-nothing reactionaries downvoting this post.

ghostdoggtv ,

Or, or or!

The UN framed this as a warning because they really don't want to stop sending aid into Gaza and the alternative is not to announce any changes at all.

JustZ ,

But Israel does want the aid coming in...

RedditWanderer ,

So they can strap the aid workers to the front of their trucks maybe

JustZ ,

Grow up.

RedditWanderer ,

Unlike all those Palestinian kids amarite.

JustZ ,

Yes. It's a shame their political leadership sold out their lives in furtherance of a pan-islamic caliphate and a Jewish genocide.

Nothing makes Hamas happier than seeing their children be killed to Israeli bombs. The fact of its happening is their only weapon in this war. It's called lawfare. Look how well it works on you.

RedditWanderer ,

Oh I see, killing childen is okay because of "those people who are making israel do it". Makes perfect sense now thank you.

ghostdoggtv ,

"if we're afraid of it then it's okay for us to do it too" - self-terrorizing fascists

bamboo ,

They block most of it and murder the people distributing it on a regular basis

JustZ ,

Ridiculous. All the food that comes in is because they let it in.

bamboo ,

The second sentence is true. They’re inducing famine conditions but allowing an extremely small amount of food in.

JustZ ,

Hamas induced food insecurity in Gaza. Period.

Viking_Hippie ,

You're lying again. Period.

JustZ ,

Oh yeah? Why doesn't Gaza import whatever they want through its airport or waterport?

Why doesn't Gaza have a seat in the UN?

Why doesn't Gaza have access to international banking systems?

Nah buddy. You are living in Fantasyland.

Viking_Hippie ,

Oh yeah? Why doesn't Gaza import whatever they want through its airport or waterport?

What fucking airport or "waterport"?? Israel have complete control over the borders of Gaza and thus full control over all imports and exports.

Why doesn't Gaza have a seat in the UN?

Because it's a part of Palestine, not a separate country.

Why doesn't Gaza have access to international banking systems?

Because it isn't allowed to by the Israeli occupation forces

Nah buddy. You are living in Fantasyland

Says the genocide apologist apparently arguing based on the delusional belief that Gaza is an independent country with no restrictions not placed by Hamas 🤦

Did you hear about the Middle East for the first time on October 7th or are you just extremely susceptible to even the most obvious propaganda?

JustZ , (edited )

Actually, I heard about it from the beginning of recorded history when all of the land you're talking about was inhabited by Hebrew speaking people called the Israelites. You know before they were rounded up and slaughtered by other radical pan Islamists.

Also, no Gaza does not have a water port or airport. And the reason they do not have those things is because they cannot have them without using them for terrorism.

Maybe if they reject Hamas and start participating in international relations instead of just International terrorism, they could have nice things again.

Seems to me like the people of Gaza have no interest in that.

Keeponstalin ,
RedditWanderer ,

Right. Nothing to do with Israel killing a large number of aid workers and destroying supplies, while killing civilians who try to get to them. It's Hamas holding back sitting on piles of food... Makes sense.

JustZ ,

No, it doesn't make sense. Hamas is well fed. It's the people of Gaza who have been starving for decades while Hamas lives it up, spends all their money on everything other than food (but mostly just terrorism).

RedditWanderer ,

Guy let it go. You've already admitted you understand that Israel is killing children because the Palestinian government is fucked. A lot of us understand the nuances of the Palestinian government being fucked, we still don't think it should be open-season on the Palestinian kiddos, civilians and hospitals.

That being said, you may go have passionate intercourse with your cranial apparel.

JustZ , (edited )

It's not Open season. Nice try though. The bombings are actually very discriminate. The evacuations and warnings are very coordinated.

If they get ignored, that's not on Israel.

jorp ,

The user labelling feature is nice because I knew you were a zionist loser before even reading this nonsense

Viking_Hippie ,

That feature is the one thing I miss after switching to Voyager 🫤

b3an ,
@b3an@lemmy.world avatar

I use Voyager also. Which app are they referring to? I like Voyager but haven't used many apps for lemmy.

Viking_Hippie ,

Boost or the web client, probably.

Sync has the feature too, but I wouldn't recommend that since it has ads and also just doesn't have a very nice feel like Voyager, Boost, Thunder, and Connect do..

jorp ,

Sorry I didn't realize it wasn't a gobal feature. I use "Connect" on Android or the web client.

b3an ,
@b3an@lemmy.world avatar

How can you do that? I use Voyager.

goferking0 ,

Wonder if they made their name emojis to pretend to not be the resident troll

OccamsTeapot , (edited )

Israel actually does care about getting aid into the country

Is this why there was the flour massacre and many others around that time, and why the WCK aid workers were killed? Oh yeah and why they said they were stopping all food and water? And why there is much less aid coming in than there was before the war even started, when the need was much lower?

Words are cheap. Israel's actions speak volumes.

JustZ , (edited )

Wow, two trucks blown up out of how many tens of thousands of trucks? You don't find your reaction a little hysterical?

What? There is less aid than before the war because there is a war. How does that not make sense to you?

OccamsTeapot ,

Wow, two trucks blown up out of how many tens of thousands of trucks?

Don't be an idiot. They were travelling a "safe" route. They were coordinating their position with Israel. They were innocent aid workers. They should have never been killed. Making out it is fine because it's "rare" is ridiculous.

If you want to play numbers, Israel killed 254 aid workers up to the end of April.

You don't find your reaction a little hysterical?

"Hysterical"? No. I used no emotive language (apart from "massacre" which is generally how that event is referred to), I just listed some of the many facts that show Israel is the main problem for aid distribution. Calling this "hysterical" is a pathetic rhetorical trick to make out that that everyone else is "emotional" and you are "rational." It's embarrassing.

Hysterical would be: OMG those innocent aid workers were BUTCHERED by Israel, brutally killed in the prime of their life. This is the worst crime imaginable, can you think of how their parents feel?! These people are monsters, MONSTERS. Worse than Hitler. Like Satan himself. If you didn't cry about this you are SCUM.

I said they "were killed."

Totally emotionless.

What? There is less aid than before the war because there is a war. How does that not make sense to you?

It's totally possible to designate actual safe zones for humanitarian purposes and give these people aid. And "because there is a war" there is much more need for humanitarian aid. Because Israel has destroyed food production, water desalination plants and much more. But obviously you know that.

Israel increased the demand for aid, killed people distributing aid, stops much of the aid from getting in, and makes it impossible to safely get it (e.g. flour massacre) and you have the gall to say they "want" aid in. Give us a fucking break.

From here

Around 500 trucks with aid and other commercial supplies were entering Gaza daily before the conflict, when the enclave was also able to produce much of its food through agriculture and fishing, both of which have nearly entirely ceased.

UNRWA communications director Juliette Touma said both humanitarian and commercial supplies were needed for Gaza because the entire population was now dependent on handouts, which was not sustainable.

Down from 500 to 100 to 200 a day. Rarely (like in the linked story) more, often much less. Never 500 since October, despite calls from around the world.

This is why you fall back on pretending everyone arguing with you is overly emotional or just stupid. The facts are staring all of us in the face and we see it too clearly. You want to pretend this is "normal" but have to really double down in the face of such overwhelming evidence.

JustZ ,

Yes two aid trucks, two accidents, neither one was covered up, the perpetrators were fired and will be prosecuted. That's normal for war.

What's not normal is a country that needs 500 aid trucks a day. Gaza has been dependent on handouts for decades. They would have had Darfur-level starvation twenty years ago and would not exist at all today if not for the charity of the West and, mainly, the charity of Israel.

That charity is the very thing that enables Hamas. The people of Gaza would never tolerate Hamas if they actually had to pay the price of it. You know, the price of diverting all of your country's natural resources to building terror tunnels, turning all of your countries International banking and shipping infrastructure into modalities of international terrorism.

Hey, they would need zero trucks a day if they used their water port or air port, used their international relations to broker commodities trading.

No, they have no interest. They are happy to live on handouts as long as their leadership is fielding mercenaries to kill Jews.

That's who you're defending.

But you are flat out lying. Gaza has built three desalinization plants in Gaza since this war has started. Every one of them built with charity. Every one of them built with materials that Israel allowed into the country. None of the three have been bombed.

OccamsTeapot ,

But you are flat out lying. Gaza has built three desalinization plants in Gaza since this war has started. Every one of them built with charity. Every one of them built with materials that Israel allowed into the country. None of the three have been bombed.

Please read: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68969239

Yes two aid trucks, two accidents, neither one was covered up, the perpetrators were fired and will be prosecuted. That's normal for war.

And did you just ignore the hundreds of killed aid workers I mentioned (and linked a source for) in my last comment? You say just "two accidents" as if that's it.

What's not normal is a country that needs 500 aid trucks a day. Gaza has been dependent on handouts for decades

Lol I wonder why 🤣

JustZ ,

I didn't ignore them at all. I'm just not impressed by 500 bodies in a warzone. It doesn't matter that they're volunteers.

That sort of thing can happen when you volunteer to go to a war.

500 died. Why do you ignore the tens of thousands who did not?

Lol I wonder why. 🤣 Just kidding it's because it doesn't fit your narrative of the evil Jewish aggressor and makes you sound hysterical and idiotic.

OccamsTeapot ,

I'm just not impressed by 500 bodies in a warzone. It doesn't matter that they're volunteers.

Aid workers. Protected by international law. But also it's only about 250. I guess you are less "impressed" now as if that was the goal, lol.

500 died. Why do you ignore the tens of thousands who did not?

Yeah I broke your nose, but why are you ignoring the 205 bones I didn't break? Hopefully you can see how stupid a thing this is to say.

Just kidding it's because it doesn't fit your narrative of the evil Jewish aggressor and makes you sound hysterical and idiotic.

Please show me anywhere on my entire Lemmy account where I have said anything negative about Jewish people because they are Jewish and not just because the ones in the IDF are DOING WAR CRIMES and also happen to be Jewish. I never even mention this because it does not matter. You can tell this very easily because if you do look through my account you will see me criticise Hamas for their war crimes and the US political establishment for supporting Israel's war crimes.

I am anti asshole. Not anti Jewish.

JustZ ,

Yeah I broke your nose, but why are you ignoring the 205 bones I didn't break? Hopefully you can see how stupid a thing this is to say.

That is stupid. Also not what I said.

You made the claim that the aid workers are being targeted.

The analogy would be that I broke one bone by accident and you then wildly accused me having desired to break them all.

OccamsTeapot ,

But that's the thing, you would be saying it's an accident but if it happens again and again, why should anyone believe you?

I never said they wanted to kill all aid workers. They had just killed 254 by when that report came out. You don't need to intend to kill all for it to be bad

JustZ ,

And half of Gaza's water infrastructure being destroyed (based on BBC satellite photos and guesswork) also does not impress me.

It should not have been diverted to support terrorists holding hundreds of hostages underground for months on end. That's why it was a target.

Oh no, poor Gaza. They gave all their water to terrorism and didn't save enough for themselves. Policy has consequences. Your gripes are with Gaza's water policy under Hamas, not with people who are defending themselves.

And like, Jesus fucking Christ. Did you read your own article? Did you look at the photograph in the very first picture in the article that shows the water tanks clearly were not targeted by Israel? No, of course you didn't, because it doesn't support your imaginary version of the evil Jew.

OccamsTeapot ,

And half of Gaza's water infrastructure being destroyed (based on BBC satellite photos and guesswork) also does not impress me

Wasn't trying to impress you. Just clarifying that I was not lying.

Oh no, poor Gaza. They gave all their water to terrorism and didn't save enough for themselves.

"Gave all their water to terrorism" - do you even hear yourself? Did the malnourished children "give" their water to Hamas? I can't even believe you're being serious here.

And like, Jesus fucking Christ. Did you read your own article? Did you look at the photograph in the very first picture in the article that shows the water tanks clearly were not targeted by Israel?

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/6a299077-4828-4634-bfdf-eb5b9009969c.jpeg

Yeah of course I did. It's the middle one here. How exactly does this show it's not been targeted? And if they really aren't targeting them, why have 53% been destroyed or damaged? Are they the worst army at aiming in the world or something?

No, of course you didn't, because it doesn't support your imaginary version of the evil Jew.

Are you saying I'm antisemitic for believing the FACT that Israel has damaged much of the water infrastructure in Gaza?

JustZ ,

They are targeting tunnels and terrorists, not water.

OccamsTeapot ,

How do you know that?

JustZ ,

Probability.

OccamsTeapot ,

Can you elaborate?

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

Ahh yes the secret tunnels under every convenient bombing target.

The magical tunnels that rarely ever exist, and when they do the IDF plants guns in them as witnessed by the press.

Blumpkinhead ,

Isreal destroyed the airport lol, are you serious? What a load of bullshit.

JustZ ,

Yeah. They sure did.

Now say why.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Israel attacked far more than two aid trucks. What are you even talking about.

xyz1195 ,

Bro we get it. You are very clearly some Israeli payed guy to get ur propaganda across. You can stop now. I don't need to read from multiple secures, like the UN itself, that Israel is actively hindering help in Gaza, to then come to Lemmy and get told by a random that everyone is lying and Israel is secretly the good guy.

This isn't some conspiracy against Israel. Israel is actively committing genocide.

JustZ ,

Delusional.

You could also go to Washington DC. Or you could ask who virtually any head of state from any Western democracy. All of whom agree with me.

Keeponstalin ,

Of humanitarian groups, UNRWA has borne the brunt of Israel’s horrific extermination campaign. According to agency Chief Philippe Lazzarini, Israeli forces have killed 193 UNRWA workers in Gaza since October and massacred 250 aid workers in total so far. Israeli forces have continually targeted UNRWA facilities, often in refugee camps, damaging or destroying 190 UNRWA facilities in Gaza, or about half of the agency’s facilities in the region.

JustZ ,

UNRWA is basically a coconspirator to Hamas. It's the largest employer in Gaza. Hamas is the largest political bloc. It's simple math.

Look at UNRWA's own literature, promoting martyrdom as a way of life (and death) to kids.

You're content to condemn how many more generations to such hopelessness and corruption?

Keeponstalin ,

There is no hope for a better future for Palestinian children when living under the violence of Apartheid

In January, Israel accused a handful of UNRWA staff of collaborating with Hamas militants as part of its years-long campaign against the agency. But Israel has refused to provide evidence for these claims, and subsequent investigations by an independent UN panel, foreign experts in multiple countries (including the EU’s humanitarian chief), and journalists across many outlets have found that there is no evidence supporting the accusations.

DolphinMath ,

Mayhaps the people of Israel aren’t a hive mind and different groups want different things?

Is it possible that many of want aid entering and work hard for it to flow into Gaza, while others violently oppose it?

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

He said israel is a terrorist state. This means the government. And the policies of said government.

The people are not the government.

Tryptaminev ,

But the people are largely in support of the government, even if they are not in support of the specific members of the current government, although the voted them into power repeatedly.

Meanwhile the few Israelis that speak out against this are getting attacked by their countrymen. Especially practicing Jews who speak out for Palestine are brutally beaten up. Of course the West does not acknowledge this rampant antisemitism.

theacharnian ,

Of course. If only Palestinian society was afforded the same amount of nuance.

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