Iranian foreign minister says it will not escalate conflict and mocks Israeli weapons as ‘toys that our children play with’ ( www.nbcnews.com )

In an interview with NBC News, Hossein Amirabdollahian refused to acknowledge that Israel was behind the recent attack on his country.

Iran's foreign minister on Friday refused to acknowledge that Israel was behind the recent attack on his country and described the weapons that were used as more like children's toys.

"What happened last night was not a strike," the foreign minister, Hossein Amirabdollahian, said in an interview with NBC News' Tom Llamas. "They were more like toys that our children play with – not drones."

Amirabdollahian, who spoke to NBC News in New York where he was attending a U.N. Security Council session, said Iran was not planning to respond unless Israel launches a significant attack.

"As long as there is no new adventurism by Israel against our interests, then we are not going to have any new reactions," he said.

cygnus ,
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"I'm not owned!!!" Iran insists, as F35s freely roam deep into their airspace

mosiacmango ,

Diplomatically ignoring something to prevent a regional war isn't exactly someone deep in a world of cope.

They know Israel attacked them, and they are being the "better man" diplomatically by playing at ignoring it.

The "like toys" comment is childish and does reek of ownage though.

Corkyskog ,

It makes geopolitical sense to me. Don't respond and take a dig at the same time. If Israel tries another, it will look even worse on them.

DoomBot5 ,

We should all be glad Israel went with such a small strike and not retaliated against Iran in equal force.

queermunist ,
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Iran has constantly proved itself the more rational and mature actor in the Middle East compared to Israel.

Yet we allow Israel to have nukes while we sanction the fuck out of Iran.

Hmm 🤔

Hyperreality ,

They launched a massive attack on Israel, Israel responded with a very small and limited strike. Iran have been funding terrorist proxy groups for decades. They also treat their own people and women horrifically.

Hate Israel all you want, but cheerleading for an Islamic theocracy is stupid.

queermunist ,
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It's strange how you're ignoring the fact that Israel attacked first. Iran retaliated, and did so after warning Israel of exactly what it was going to do so it could prepare. It did this even though Israel attacked Iran without a similar warning and assassinated an Iranian general.

Iran's response has been tepid and measured because it doesn't want to start WW3. Israel, on the other hand, very clearly does.

Hyperreality ,

assassinated Iranian officials.

Bit disingenious to call (senior) Members of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps 'officials' like they're low level bureaucrats, not military personnel.

you’re ignoring the fact that Israel attacked first.

Why did they attack?

According to Al Jazeera, the IRGC initially claimed the october 7 attack on Israel was revenge for the killing of IRGC commander Qassem Soleimani, although they later retracted that statement.

In any case, the cold war between Israel and Iran didn't start with Israel bombing an Iranian embassy. Honeslty don't know who started it, but it wasn't the first attack, not the first attack on an embassy either.

Iran retaliated, and did so after warning Israel of exactly what it was going to do

Iran claims they warned Israel. The US says they didn't.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iranian-notice-attack-may-have-dampened-escalation-risks-2024-04-14

I mean, your user name suggests you're queer and a communist. How utterly bizarre that you're defending an Islamic theocracy.

It is possible to be critical of Israel and not defend Iran. Just so you know, I know Russian propaganda probably told you otherwise.

queermunist ,
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Why did they attack?

To draw the US deeper into the conflict.

In any case, the cold war between Israel and Iran didn’t start with Israel bombing an Iranian embassy. Honeslty don’t know who started it, but it wasn’t the first attack, not the first attack on an embassy either.

Fair. Netanyahu has been provoking Iran for decades, this is just the latest escalation. But the fact remains that Iran was retaliating to an attack that came from Israel, Iran wasn't just attacking out of nowhere.

Iran claims they warned Israel. The US says they didn’t.

And yet the US and Israel were able to perfectly defend against the attack and prevent any serious damage. 🤔

I guess we're just supposed to believe that those defensive capabilities are god-like and can respond to any attack with zero warning!

I mean, your user name suggests you’re queer and a communist. How utterly bizarre that you’re defending an Islamic theocracy.

Y'all keep telling me to choose the lesser evil in the elections but you won't do the same thing in a geopolitical context. 🤨

BaroqueInMind ,

Israel identified the ring leaders of the October 7 event as Iranian military commanders who also happen to use an embassy as their base of operations to plan and execute their attacks.

The moment that was discovered, the embassy no longer became a neutral zone and was changed to be a target.

This is the same rules schoolyard bullies do to protect themselves from punishment by hiding behind their shitty parents after bullying you, and so do terrorists (including Hamas).

mosiacmango ,

International law doesnt allow you to declare "not an embassy" because i want to kill a motherfucker in it. Countries in conflict will often have embassies filled with people the other country wants dead.

The whole point of embassies is that they are "off limits" so that matters of state can be solved by disgruntled parties via diplomacy, not warfare. Bombing an embassy is a direct call for war, exactly because it by definition has important leaders of that countires nation inside of it.

Bombing it is no different than bombing any goverment building staffed by that nation's leadership in Tehran. It is in fact a huge provocation for war, and so far its only Irans restraint that has stopped this
from escalating.

The fact that Israel has put the world into a position where Iran, a nation run by theocratic despots who brutalize women and sponsor terror, is the calmer actor, is absolutely surreal.

BaroqueInMind ,

International law is such a stupid concept to me since it's literally pointless unless there is someone who can enforce it.

So don't come at us with that bullshit, otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion at all and it would've already been handled by the "international police"

Israel and Iran and Russia will continue to conduct whatever they want, and there's literally nothing you and I can do about it besides waste time arguing about it online.

DoomBot5 ,

300 drones/missiles restraint? It was the largest single attack of its kind the world has seen.

DarkGamer ,
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It's pretty disgusting to see you cheer for Islamic terrorist groups who would throw you off buildings. Iran was responsible for October 7th, Hamas is their proxy.

andrewrgross ,
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I don't think anyone in this thread has "cheered for Islamic terrorist groups".

The factual statements people have made are true: Iran has been the more restrained actor. Israel's aggression has been alarming. The US govt's position has prioritized an alliance far past our national interests. It's any of this incorrect?

I don't like the Iranian govt. I don't like the current Israeli gov't. I'm not thrilled with America's gov't. I love my country (the US), and I like most Israelis, Palestinians, and Iranians. Is that really hard to reconcile? It seems like the majority opinion.

DarkGamer ,
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Look at queermunist's comment history, every time I see them in the comment section, they are simping for some islamist violent group known for murdering LGBT people. When it wasn't Iran it was Hamas.

DarkGamer ,
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Israel is a good international neighbor. Iran funds terrorist groups all over the world.

SuddenDownpour ,

Israel commits terrorism themselves, but since it's against brown people who don't have their own intertionally recognized state, I guess it doesn't count. We should sanction both.

DarkGamer ,
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Israel's violence is against those who attack them and intend to do them harm. Self-Defense.

ModernRisk ,
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Israel is a good international neighbor. Iran funds terrorist groups all over the world.

From all your comments, we can conclude you’re an heavy Israel supporter (perhaps Zionist?).

You keep writing things like “terrorist groups’’, '’7th October’’, and the most ironic one ‘’ Israel is a good international neighbor. Iran funds terrorist groups all over the world’’. Do you even realize; Israel funded Hamas.

You seem to purposefully dismiss/ not mention how Israel even became an actual state. Not only that, Israel being a good neighbor? Such a joke - They refuse to listen to anything what Biden asks and/ or says. They use the WW2, holocaust and the star as if that allows them to commit all the atrocities (genocide) they are currently doing.

Israel became an actual state in 1948 by displacing 750 000 Palestinian people and murdering many (men, women and children). Laying sieges, bombarding villages and population centers, setting fires to homes, properties and goods. Planting mines among the rubble to prevent any of the expelled people from returning (source: The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by ilan Pappé).

Hamas did not exist until 1987, they became an actual group only in 1987 because of all the horrifying things Israel had done from 1948 up until 1987. Which is approximately 40 years after what Israel had done to the Palestinian people.

The entire 7th October and ‘’self-defense’’ is such a lame excuse at this point. More than 33 000 normal Palestinians have been brutally murdered by Israel. Iran only attacked Israel because Israel attacked their consulate/ embassy (and killed someone).

Israel is currently doing:

  • Stealing land (illegal settlements, driving Palestinian people away from their homes)
  • Ethnic cleansing (removing Palestinians from their homeland)
  • Genocide (murdering Palestinians because, they’re Palestinian people)
  • Calling Palestinians rats, animals and more cruel things
  • Wanting to erase the entire Palestinian race (Israel officials said this themselves)
  • Lying to the world (decapitated babies & calendar story)
  • They think they are “superior” than Palestinian people
  • They think and say that Palestinian people are, the “inferior” race
  • Apartheid
  • Sent Palestinian people jail/ prison for no reason (even kids)
  • Beat Palestinian people for no reason or provoke to “get a reason”

Who’s the actual terrorist here?

Sources of my claims

  1. https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2024/4/7/6-months-of-devastation-in-gaza-war-with-no-sign-of-an-end
  2. https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2023/10/358170/israel-defense-minister-calls-palestinians-human-animals-amid-israeli-aggression
  3. https://www.timesofisrael.com/far-right-minister-says-nuking-gaza-an-option-pm-suspends-him-from-cabinet-meetings/
  4. https://www.reuters.com/world/israels-un-delegates-criticised-wearing-yellow-stars-symbol-pride-2023-10-31/
  5. https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
  6. https://www.timesofisrael.com/only-15-of-israelis-want-netanyahu-to-keep-job-after-gaza-war-poll-finds/

EDIT: Also majority of the normal civilians in Israel does not even want their current prime minister anymore. Only 15% of the Israeli's want him, the rest (85%) want him gone.

DarkGamer ,
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Israel is only a threat to those who attack it, and Palestinian Arab nationalists have been trying to murder Jews for the last hundred years for merely existing in the Levant and legally buying land there. Were it not for this, a one-state solution would have been workable, borders would have never been drawn by the UN, and Israel never would have formed as it did, in mutual self-defense.

No doubt many atrocities occurred during the nakba, there were Jewish terrorist groups who drove out peaceful villages, while this does not justify them, let us not forget they were formed in response to slaughters of Jews. Violence causes violence. Some people will do terrible things for safety. Many of the Arabs who left did so in order to fight against Israel. Those who stayed and were not driven out are now faring relatively well. Better than many of their Arab neighbors under their own leadership.

I believe Israel should exist right where it does because it's the only home the people who live there know. I guess that means I am a Zionist because I oppose genocide via destruction of Israel and think it's a bad idea to let the people who have been trying to murder them for 100 years elect their leaders.

Being a good neighbor does not mean you don't defend yourself when attacked, nor does it mean yielding to the United States necessarily. In this context, it means that unlike Iran, Israel isn't a threat to worldwide peace and stability, does not represent islamist conquest, does not fund terror groups worldwide and is not trying to undo the enlightenment. Israel is a modern Western country that just wants safety for its people. Leave them alone and they will leave you alone.

Collateral damage happens in war, and those figures are from Hamas and are not credible. Recent analysis of them indicates they are probably doctored.

Genocide requires an intent to destroy, and Israel has been clear they intend to destroy Hamas not Palestine/ Palestinians. Collateral damage is not genocide.

It's unsurprising that there is public animosity against Palestinians, given the violence they have been inflicting upon Israel for the last century. It's terrible that some Israelis might call them rats and other dehumanizing names, but using that to vilify Israel as a whole seems inappropriate, I'm sure Palestinians also dehumanize Israelis but that's not really relevant to this discussion or a valid cause for national violence.

Some right-wing politicians in Israel have said some pretty horrible things, even called for war crimes, but they do not represent Israel as a whole, nor are they directing the war. Meanwhile, Hamas has been pretty unambiguously calling for genocide against Israel and Jews even in their own charter. October 7th itself was an act of genocide. I support Israel because I oppose genocide.

Sometimes people get things wrong in the fog of war, this is not unique to Israel, and Hamas has been doing the same thing, like when they attacked their own hospital with a rocket and blamed Israel for it. They operate out of otherwise protected buildings, then blame Israel when they are treated like military assets they are being used as. They intentionally murder, torture, rape, and kidnap civilians. Israel isn't infallible and they go to Great lengths to legally justify every attack and minimize civilian casualties.

Who's the terrorist here? Hamas. Obviously.

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    rottingleaf ,

    So you are saying Iran funds Hamas? That wasn't my impression.

    Hezbollah and Houthis are much better than Israel.

    zerog_bandit ,

    Comments like these are why I really don't care how many Palestinians die in Israel's war, Israel is fighting for its right to exist while people like this are calling for the extermination of Israelis.

    theotherverion ,
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    Yes, because funding terrorist organizations is very rational.

    Jtotheb ,

    By that token Israel should have lost its nukes after funding Hamas. Far too irrational for nuke privileges

    zerog_bandit ,

    Imagine this level of brain damage exists, that someone thinks Israel funds Hamas and not Iran.

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