erp ,

Netanyahu a tragic mishap, deadly strike on Rafah says

SulaymanF ,

After 24 hours of absolutely awful videos on TV and social media, Netanyahu finally reverses his previous press statement about “precision bombs” and “precision intelligence” targeting a refugee camp in a IDF-designated safe zone and decides to pretend the whole thing was a misunderstanding.

Rashida Tlaib is right, why won’t Biden say anything about his precious red line being violated?

ghostdoggtv ,

In the long term, the Israeli experiment has been a tragic mistake too

JustZ ,
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Have they tried not standing next to Hamas commanders to be used as human shields?

SulaymanF ,

Even Israel isn’t claiming that on this one. Try again.

JustZ ,
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They were at the time I posted this. Has something changed?

SulaymanF ,

Yes, even at the time of your posting Israel claimed they were hitting an underground bunker that just magically happened to be there after IDF cleared the entire territory and declared it a “safe zone” and moved civilians into it. None of your original claim is true nor the fault of anyone but Israel, even if we were to buy Israel’s claim which is dubious to begin with.

JustZ , (edited )
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I don't see what you think I got wrong about the story.

You realize the tunnels shafts are usually concealed right? They apparently walk right past them all the time. That's how tunnel warfare works. There are 500 miles of tunnels inside a 25 mile wide area. It's really inconcievable to you that there was a tunnel under this camp? That Hamas was literally using the tunnels because it was a humanitarian area, just like they do with every public institution, hospitals and so fourth. This is their strategy, Hamas and their loyal fans.

I don't find IDF's claim here dubious at all. It's a hell of a lot more credible just at face value than you're giving it credit for, at any rate. Seems obvious I'm talking to someone who only regards Israeli people as evil, attributes everything to malice.

SulaymanF , (edited )

The IDF cleared the area and then chose to designate it as a safe zone. That’s 100% their responsibility if they herded and encouraged civilians there. Israeli intelligence has a pretty detailed map of the tunnels and have been citing them widely. I do not believe they suddenly discovered a tunnel (since they’re not even claiming a tunnel existed, merely that the Hamas people were underground). AND spokesman Daniel Hagari said that Israel only used two 17kg bombs, which isn’t enough to reach or destroy a tunnel.

Seems obvious I'm talking to someone who only regards Israeli people as evil, attributes everything to malice.

Nope, but keep looking for reasons to dismiss everyone you disagree with so nobody can affect your beliefs with new facts or evidence or logical arguments.

juicy ,

You seem to be malfunctioning. Your just mindlessly repeating worn out, discredited talking points

supersquirrel ,

This is a lazy comment, and frankly everybody is standing next to everybody else in Gaza from the perspective of 2000 pound bombs. It is a tiny area.

Your capacity to feel empathy for a genocide of people has clearly been broken your beliefs, and you should be ashamed that your beliefs are so poorly constructed that they make you worse off than an ignorant child who knows nothing but is capable of feeling empathy intuitively.

Mrkawfee ,

"Tragic mishap" = we couldn't get Western legacy media to cover for us this time

cosmicrookie ,
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Over 30.000 lethal mistakes since October if you consider that civilians are indeed not the target. Plus the 70.000 collateral injuries

The star wars stormtroopers are better at shooting than israel!

Naich ,
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"Deadly strike on Rafah a tragic mistake" Netanyahu says, trying not to laugh.

timkenhan ,

I guess the whole genocide thing is unintended, huh?

"Whooops, we accidentally wiped out the whole population of this land. Whadya know, nobody lives here now. Somebody should definitely claim it!"

JustZ ,
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35,000 out of 5,000,000 is 0.7%.

You're saying they have 99.3 percent left to go?

At .7% every eight months this is going to take another 94 years.

SulaymanF ,

7 months and you’re still getting this wrong.

Genocide does not have to exterminate everyone to be considered genocide. Erasing the nation is also a definition of genocide; and Netanyahu has publicly admitted to this. His party charter says to eliminate Palestine. He said he will never allow a Palestinian state, and that Palestinians don’t exist and are just Jordanians. His cabinet has toyed with the idea of forcibly deporting all Palestinians. The ICC and ICJ have spelled out how Netanyahu’s policies meet the definition of genocide.

Can we let this falsehood die already?

JustZ , (edited )
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I know that. The person I replied to suggested they are trying to wipe out all Palestinians. It's absurd.

The ICJ spelled out how a collection of cherry-picked allegations reported in the press if proven true in court, could constitute the crime of genocide.

The unnattributed "reports" heavily relied upon in South Africa's application are going to be a heavy lift to prove in court.

SulaymanF , (edited )

Do you honestly believe Netanyahu loves Palestinians and that the quotes in court were merely cherry-picked? His whole career is against the state of Palestine; it’s even on his damn campaign website and in the party charter. If you can’t be convinced of the blindingly obvious truth I can’t help you.

You can try to attack Sourh Africa as much as you want but Israel’s military ally Egypt also signed onto the charges. So did a lot of NGOs and EU countries. If you want to live in denial then that’s on you, but don’t try lying to the rest of us.

goferking0 ,

If they haven't gotten it by now they never will

agelord ,

Worst kind of nerd.

JustZ ,
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People who can count and don't get hysterical when the numbers speak for themselves?

goferking0 ,

Tell me you don't understand the meaning of genocide without telling everyone you don't understand the meaning.

also considering how old the number of 35,000 and number of continued attacks it's gonna be a much higher number now not that it will change the minds of people like you

JustZ ,
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Blah blah blah. This post has nothing to do with the legal definition of genocide.

I replied directly to someone who made the idiotic statement that Israel is trying to genocide all of Palestine. You have to be truly delusional to think that's the case.

Moonrise2473 ,

"tragic mishap" is when it accidentally happens once a decade, not when it "accidentally" happens every day

dpkonofa ,

Yeah… a tragic mishap is getting your balls stuck in your zipper because you had to pee so bad you tried to rip your pants off. This is a bit more than a “tragic mishap”. ಠ_ಠ

autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:


“I don’t intend to end the war before every goal has been achieved," Mr Netanyahu said during his address, which was interrupted by occasional heckles from family members of hostages taken by Hamas during the 7 October attack in southern Israel.

But the Palestinian Red Crescent said the air strike targeted tents for displaced people near a UN facility in Tal al-Sultan, about 2km (1.2 miles) north-west of the centre of Rafah.Videos from the scene in the Tal al-Sultan area on Sunday night showed a large explosion and intense fires burning.

Graphic footage showed a number of structures ablaze next to a banner saying “Kuwaiti Peace Camp '1'”, as well as first responders and bystanders carrying several bodies.Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) said on Monday that one of its facilities had received at least 28 dead people following the strike, including woman and children.

MSF rejected Israeli claims that the strike was precise, saying the "attack on a populated camp in a so-called ‘safe zone’ in Rafah shows the complete disregard for the lives of civilians in Gaza".

How did a “precision strike” using specialised munitions with “reduced warheads” result in a firestorm which killed dozens and injured scores?Following last week’s ruling by the ICJ, ordering Israel to halt any operations in the Rafah area that might inflict further harm on the Palestinian population, Israel knows that the eyes of the world are on it.

It’s under enormous pressure to explain its actions.It says the operation was based on intelligence, and it seems both Hamas figures were killed.But the presence of huge numbers of civilians and, it seems, a significant quantity of flammable material, raises a great many questions about how this incident was planned and executed.With top military officials, including Maj Gen Yifat Tomer Yerushalmi, the IDF’s advocate general, promising a thorough investigation, we can expect some kind of more detailed explanation to come quite soon.But whether this marks a turning point in the campaign is another matter.Mr Netanyahu remains committed to what he calls “total victory” in Rafah, so there’s no sign that Sunday's disaster will change his mind.Despite the appalling scenes from last night, Israeli ground forces still appear to be acting somewhat cautiously as they edge closer to the city of Rafah itself.Their operations so far have not resulted in a bloodbath.But that’s exactly what last night’s air strike achieved, dealing yet another blow to Israel’s already battered image and undermining its rationale for pressing on.


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