SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Symbolic gesture vetoed.

Palestine simply doesn't have any viable leadership. It's ok to criticize Israel, but still not ok to criticize Palestine, so nobody is holding Palestinian leadership to account.

You got Fatah which is corrupt. You got Hamas which is corrupt and are terrorists.

If Palestine had full independence tomorrow, what kind of state would it be? A failed state. The next Yemen, Somalia, or Afghanistan.

But yeah give some legitimacy to the corrupt leaders of an occupied territory and continue to avoid looking at the reality of how bad their leadership is a little longer. That will improve things for Palestinians!

Oh right, I forgot we're supposed to performatively care about Palestinians while not actually caring about them.

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

I mean yeah, there are minimum standards for entry. Maybe Palestine should get its shit together and stop choosing terrorism every chance it gets.

SuddenDownpour ,

The proposal is for the West Bank government to be recognized in the UN as the State of Palestine, not Hamas. By conflating both you're regurgitating far right talking points meant to dehumanie Palestinians and deprive them of any tool to answer to literal crimes against humanity.

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

They should start demonstrating their commitment to humanity by condemning Hamas, condemning the October 7 attacks, and then by pursuing the war criminals in their own ranks for a while, instead of offering support and shelter.

Your comment reminded me of one of those times Trump's campaign manager, former attorney or something was charged with crimes, and then Trump pretended he didn't even know the person.

I am not strongly opposed the West Bank having UN membership but they have work to do. I could be convinced they're on their way. I haven't seen much evidence of that.

tearsintherain ,
@tearsintherain@leminal.space avatar

I am somewhat amazed how much influence Israel seems to have over the United States. Even colleges and universities behaving as though they may as well be established in some autocratic, authoritarian state. It's like a signal was sent out all over the US. The same nation that brought the world NSO has people doxxing students for supporting Palestinians. How easy it's become to dehumanize people, women and children, babies even because the religious fervor truly has the right wing zealots believing they are "the chosen people". The dehumanization of Palestinian people is quite disgusting.

Another reminder that religion and politics should never be allowed to mix anywhere.

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

Ita not just the US, all Western countries except Ireland are basically doing whatever Israel wants. Check any larger western newspaper and none are really critical of Israel. Look at Germany for an example of how fucked they are in Europe.

Canada, Australia, Britain, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Finland, Estonia, Japan, Austria and Romania All cut UNRWA funding based purely on Israels word with zero evidence.

Sarmyth ,

When will this lie stop? People never shut the fuck up about this conflict in the west. There are endless protests and the media repeats that Isreal needs to stop every day.

And yet all day, every day, on Lemmy people cry about the west not caring or writing about it or shilling for Isreal. It's just delusional bordering on dishonest at this point.

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

You are conflating citizens with governments. Just because we protest doesn’t mean our governments are not sending weapons and support their way.

And the media pushes Israeli talking points and often does shit like refusing to use the word genocide, while using loaded language to make Israel seem the victim.

Sarmyth ,

I am not. I meant exactly what I said and I'd thank you to not make shit up and pretend I meant something else. The US government is made up of many many people who vocalize their disagreement with Isreal and have called it a genocide.

The Associated Press, the media organization this post is from is an American non-profit based in New York. Easily half the articles run in the US are rehashed AP articles.

xmunk ,

Dearest Biden,

Please stop trying to get Trump elected.

Pleasant Regards,
Everyone who gives a shit about abortion access.

melpomenesclevage ,

fucking seriously. he won't step aside, and he won't stop holding it over the abyss.

he wants to make it as painful as possible to vote for him, but I just... I know at this point I can't, abd I'm starting to see much less radical people than me make that call.

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Grow up.

melpomenesclevage ,

that's not really a response to anything I said, its just suggesting that I'm a child and my opinions dont matter until they match yours. which is kinda shitty.

possibly because you dont have any coherent criticism of what I said, but dont want to change your beliefs or admit mine could also be valid?

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

I don't think it was suggesting it.

magnetosphere ,
@magnetosphere@fedia.io avatar

Fuck you, Biden. I’m only voting for you because the alternatives are worse.

goldenlocks ,

You can't complain about this if you consent to it.

veniasilente ,

You have never been a couch sports coach, right?

goldenlocks ,

I've never consented to preserving the duopoly in our political system

veniasilente ,

I mean, you were never inquired about it in the first place. But that's in the end about as valid as saying you never consented to A being a vowel.

goldenlocks ,

Jill Stein 2024

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