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force , (edited )

Man Biden is really trying to lose the upcoming election isn't he. A year ago I would not have predicted that he would fuck up such an easy reelection this badly, but here we are. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory I guess.

Apparently Biden has always been this shitty when it comes to Palestine. Some things children just never grow out of it seems.

krzschlss , avatar

Millions of children never grew old because of Kissingers little psychopathic padawans in Washington for decades now. Those children don’t care about this one losing or winning his little beauty contest.

And millions of children will die in the future no matter whose dick is being sucked in the Oval Office. There are more omnipotent deciders who decide who lives and who dies.

This greedy, bloodthirsty, manipulative, sociopathic voting won’t change anything no matter who wins.

Aux ,

Fuck Biden!

samus12345 , avatar

Let's Brandon!

Linkerbaan , avatar

Just gonna leave this here

Land_Strider ,

Being fed up with constant bullshit and not giving known actors any more benefit of the doubt on their every single upcoming potential bullshit activity is a scary thing to possess when speaking in public spaces.

Just because a clock has sentimental value, looks cool or has some other appeal, many people would be willing to criticize you for calling out that it doesn't work. They'll take any opportunity on your claim to make you look wrong, even if the broken clock shows the right time by mistake once in every 12 hours, rest of which you correctly keep calling out.

bartolomeo ,
Linkerbaan , avatar

Nah this gaslighting is just a weekly occurrence at this point. Biden pretends to wag his finger against israel when they commit war crimes and walks it back a week later. Genocide Joe is fully on board.

dumblederp ,

USA: "It's good business"

kaffiene ,

Wot? No more crocodile tears? Fucking hypocritical genocidal cunt

A_Random_Idiot , avatar

Hes really pulling a Hilary with this shit.

Intentionally throwing away an election he thinks is sure fire win for him, because Trumps the only other option.

The risk isnt people turning to vote for Trump, the risk is people that would have voted for him not voting at all. . Because he'd rather doom a people to extermination than fix his own country.

rimjob_rainer ,

Why does Biden want innocent people dead and why does nobody try to stop him? What has become of humanity? Has everyone gone insane?

TimeNaan ,

Ideology is one hell of a drug

random_character_a , avatar

Business and military industrial complex is one hell of a shitshow.


TimeNaan ,

Fair. It's a bit of both.

FenrirIII , avatar

Republican lawmakers in Congress have introduced legislation intended to prevent any further pauses in weapons shipments to the US ally.

It's all bullshit

NoLifeGaming ,

It was obvious from the start it was political posturing as he had already sent them so much and it wasn't like they immediately needed it. Just like the port to deliver aid, also posturing to look good.

ramenshaman ,

Fuck Trump, fuck Biden, and fuck Netanyahu. And while we're at it, fuck Putin and fuck Xi. Not a lot of decent people at the top these days.

TimeNaan ,

That was always the case. Being at the top pretty much requires being a bastard.

That's why the best ruler is no ruler.🏴

random_character_a , avatar

Waiting for our AI overlord?

TimeNaan ,

No, for horizontal, anarchist mass organization

ramenshaman ,

Anarchy is a great way to get taken over by another country. As far as I know, anyway, maybe I'm missing something.

TimeNaan , (edited )

Historically, anarchists have been very good at organizing effective and well motivated armies. Usually with democratically elected officers. Look up the Black Army of Makhno, CNT-FAI, EZLN and YPG, these are all good examples of anarchist (or anarchist-adjacent) armies.

Lumisal ,

Statistically and unfortunately however, they have been very bad at not being taken over by non-anarchy eventually. And it'll likely get worse for a while with robotics.

Source: Look at world map.

TimeNaan ,

Robotics are not that great at fighting against insurgencies. Just like most technology, it usually isn't enough to destroy movements that are popular among the wider population. Look at the Afghanistan war for example.

Lumisal ,

I should clarify: advanced autonomous robotics.

TimeNaan ,

Ok, but that's not the point I was making. I meant that vast technological superiority does not mean military superiority.

Guerrillas and militias have been very effective at combatting powerful empires throughout history because they have the backing of the populace and can hide and resupply with ease, unlike invading forces.

This will not change because of a single technological advancement, especially since insurgents can also use this technology themselves.

Lumisal ,

That's not a single technological advancement though, it's multiple.

But either way, I think it'll make a difference because it eliminates a big factor that's always been present:


Autonomous robots would never tire, would be able to maintain themselves to a degree, and the controlling force never has to worry about their loyalty. Also eases stress on the empire's citizens because they're not the ones being sent to fight anymore, either. Easier to do the bread and circuses.

Hopefully I'll be wrong about it.

Crikeste ,

Fuck them all. I just hope Americans are ready for the terror they’ve spread around the world, to be in their streets.

krzschlss , avatar

Can’t wait for tomorrow’s most upvoted posts on Reddit and Lemmy teaching us how the other clowns from the rival circus are still worse. While condemning the killings of children in Gaza with those weapons sold today.

It’s impossible there was ever a society this manipulated and stupid.

can ,

Don't they have a point though? Your system is broken and the lesser of two evils is all you ever get to pick.

Cosmonauticus ,

Yeah but when you point that out you're called a idiot for unintentionally backing Trump. Any criticism of the system or Biden no matter how deserved somehow is support for Trump

homesweethomeMrL ,

The package can be blocked by Congress if a majority in both chambers object.

Now we get to find out how many of our excitingly new progressives know who their representatives are. Or even if they have representatives. If they do, can they work out the seekrit next steps? Only time will tell.

SwingingTheLamp ,

No, it's actually not true. First-past-the-post voting mathematically tends to result in 2 dominant parties, but there's no mathematical rule that determines which 2 parties. The first two in American history were the Federalist Party, and the Democratic Republican Party. The duopoly has changed several times over the years, and it could change again if we wanted it. Democratic voters have affirmatively made the choice that supporting genocide is better (read: easier) than trying to shake things up.

PriorityMotif , avatar

There's a large number of Jewish people who are Democrats and politicians are more worried about points than doing the right thing.

yetAnotherUser ,

You will change the Democrat-Republican duopoly as soon as you convince everyone to stop participating in consumerism (beyond one's basic needs).

Which is to say: never.

The last time neither a Republican nor a Democrat was President was more than a century ago. Good luck changing the people's habits as well as the monumental support structures both parties have erected to prevent any third party from gaining traction, ranging from super PACs to literally the entire American news network, including social media.

juicy ,

The thing about the lesser of two evils is you actually have to be less evil.

absentbird ,

Trump is easily more evil, he wants to accelerate the genocide. But even if you consider their position on Gaza as identical, he's so much worse in all the other ways; he wants to give massive tax cuts to billionaires, criminalize trans people, and pass a national abortion ban. We cannot let that happen.

juicy ,

Next to genocide, those are rounding errors

kaffiene ,

FFS. Biden is a complete cunt. Trump GOP is still worse

Mastengwe ,

Wait, you mean to tell me that a bunch of twenty-somethings have figured it all out and everyone else is entirely wrong about everything? Where have this happening before????

Oh yeah… that’s right. Every election cycle.

Nuance is for people who don’t want to be constantly outraged by everything that ever happens.

bartolomeo ,

We can do it. We can make him dumber than he was. Dumber, weaker, slower.

DancingBear ,

Damn, Biden doesn’t want to win the election or save democracy

Aceticon ,

Maybe the Democracy you think is still there to be saved is already gone and all you have left is the folklore of it rather than the real thing.

It would certainly explain Biden's dictatorial persistence on supporting the Zionist Genocide all the way with weapons and ammo even when the majority of Americans has turned against it, his and his party's reaction to student demonstrations and how all of this would make no sense for somebody trying to avoid losing the election to Trump.

I lived in a country with Proportional Vote and what we're seeing from the elected leader of the US would never happen there in an election year, not even close, as the politicians there trully fear electoral defeat.

TimeNaan ,

I disagree, living in such a country. Our self-declared "left wing" was eager to participate in both Iraq and Afghanistan and host CIA black sites on our soil.

There is no democracy in global capitalism. There can only be different shades of authoritarianism.

SuddenDownpour ,

Headline from two days ago:

‘Total outrage’: White House condemns Israeli settlers’ attack on Gaza aid trucks

My comment on it:

It’s taken them over half a year, but Biden has finally discovered that Israel is committing crimes against humanity. Let’s hope they don’t forget about it the second Netanyahu pretends to be a little bit obedient.

Damn, really speedrunning that disappointment, huh

mlg , avatar

Lol my comment from last week which got heavily downvoted:

Considering Biden repealed his settler sanctions, I'd actually bet this eventually gets approved after Israel promises to pay shipping fees in exchange for breaking the SLA stating they can't do a genocide

mfw he doubled down and approved another massive sale on top of the smaller blocked shipment.

thejml ,

Because the GOP Congress was about to go around him if he didn’t.

Really wish he’d have grown a spine and stuck to not sending them, let the GOP look bad and don’t abandon your own base. I hate this political environment.

eestileib ,

💞Joe 💞 Bibi 💞

TheUncannyObserver ,

The lesser of two evils, ladies and gents.

anticolonialist ,

Don't you know Trump is gonna genocide harder? Some shitlib told me yesterday trump will conduct a real genocide, as if the one happening in front of our eyes is fake

TheUncannyObserver ,

Oh well that’s a Democrat genocide. It’s a more humane genocide, free range and organic. Better for the environment.

Aceticon ,

Yeah, but with Biden and the Democrat Party you get an equal opportunity Genocide were women are just a likely to be murdered as men and LGBT as straight people.

So Vote Biden!!!

AIhasUse ,

Are you talking about the Trump that won't quit talking about how antisemitic Biden has been in the Gaza genocide?

Imagine seeing someone yell at a rapist in the middle of raping that they aren't raping viciously enough and then thinking that it would be good to send that guy in there instead. I agree, no rape would be best, but I'm pretty sure the victim in this case would prefer the current rapist over the one complaining about how the current rapist is being offensively gentle.

anticolonialist ,

I'm talking about the people that passed a resolution proclaiming opposition to Zionism is antisemitic. I'm talking about the people using police across the country to silence opposition to Zionism and genocide. I'm talking about the people that's taken millions of AIPAC money to carry out the demands of Zionists.

AIhasUse ,

I was referring to the part of your comment where you said "Trump." You're gonna have to use gpt to explain my comment to you in a way that you are able to wrap your head around. Just tell it to break it down step by step and explain it to like you're a 5 year old with their fingers in their ears yelling "blah blah blah, i can't heeeaaaar youuuuu".

anticolonialist ,

In typical fashion, a liberal infantilizes people they disagree with because they have no other argument to stand on

MrSpArkle ,

How does one infantalize an infant?

AIhasUse ,

You talked about Trump.

I responded that your take on Trump made no sense.

You oddly tried to pretend you were not talking about Trump.

I pointed out that you were talking about Trump.

I have made my point clearly. I'm sorry if making it so clear hurt your feelings, but the choice is between speaking on a low level or having things go over your head like they did. This is a you issue. If you don't want people to speak down to you, then demonstrate some reading comprehension.

Also, I'm not liberal, I'm politically non-binary.

juicy ,

Just another BlueAnon troll

Esqplorer ,

Beyond your disgusting analogy, if you think Palestinians give a shit who sends the bombs to Israel that are going to kill them you're not living in reality.

Tell me you're voting for Biden on domestic policy grounds, and I'll agree with you because that's my plan, but stop dressing this up as anything that's not as bad as it could be

AIhasUse ,

Do you realize that if today the casualties on both sides of Gaza and isreal since October happened again, and then every day that many more is added, let's say 40,000 per day. If we continue doing that every single day, we wouldn't reach the world war 2 casualties until 2027. So yes, things can, and have very recently been much worse.

Biden is a bastard, he is blowing up gazan children daily, and I hope the universe makes a special exception for him and creates a biblical hell. Trump calls this "level of restraint" antisemitic. Trump is in extreme debt, angry as hell, and he has a bunch of racist anti-muslim fanatics he's trying to please. He can absolutely make things worse.

anticolonialist ,

What is worse than genocide? You are the epitome of my original comment, 'Trump's gonna genocide harder'

AIhasUse ,

Worse genocide. That is worse than genocide. Have they seriously got you thinking that there are no gazans left of something? It is mind-boggling how good some media companies are at doing what they do.

AIhasUse ,

Are you seriously a Trump supporter because you think the conservatives will be kinder to a group of minority Muslims that are up against Jewish Israel? Is this the first time you've ever paid attention to American politics?

Look up what a president by the name of George Bush Jr. did to the Middle East, you're about to have your political views dumped completely upside-down. The Republicans are not nearly as buddy-buddy with Islamic minorities as you've somehow been lead to believe.

anticolonialist ,

No one is defending republicans, we are saying Biden is doing exactly what Trump might do.

juicy ,

13-day-old account. Go away Genocide Joe shill.

AIhasUse ,

Genocide Joe is a piece of shit. I've said thay repeatedly. Upgrade your base model so you can at least have basic reading comprehension.

DarkGamer , avatar

If you're going to define your movement as anti-genocidal you should really have a firm grasp on what genocide is and who is committing it:

Article II of the Convention defines genocide as:
... any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

  • (a) Killing members of the group;
  • (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
  • (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
  • (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
  • (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Hamas, what Israel has been clear they intend to destroy, is not a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. However, Jews/Israel/Israelis, what Hamas has been clear they intend to destroy, are. Therefore, legally Oct 7 was an act of genocide, and Israel's war on Hamas is not. Such a designation has nothing to do with body count.

I support Israel because I oppose the genocidal. Binding their hands and preventing them from retaliating in self-defense only serves to support genocidal Hamas by keeping them in power.

SuddenDownpour ,

"Look at me displacing almost 2 million people and bombing their homes and cities whole to the ground one by one. It's not a genocide though, because I haven't explicitely claimed that my goal is to commit a genocide."

DarkGamer , (edited ) avatar

It's almost as if words mean things and have specific definitions, especially legal ones. Feel free to criticize such behaviors with different accurate words for things you don't like.

SuddenDownpour ,

If someone punches you to death, declaring they weren't trying to kill you doesn't make them any less guilty of murder.

DarkGamer , avatar

If someone punches you to death, declaring they weren’t trying to kill you doesn’t make them any less guilty of murder.

Actually, in the US it could. Intent is the difference between murder and manslaughter.

Aceticon ,

Curious how you moved the goal posts from "not openly stating one's intent" which was used as justification to claim what Israel is doing is not a Genocide to "not having intent" which is what defines the difference between murder and manslaught.

People are convicted of murder all the time when they didn't openly said their intention was murder if it can be shown beyond reasonable doubt that it was their intention.

So the previous poster's point holds very well and you just further dug the grave on yours.

TokenBoomer ,
DarkGamer , avatar
TokenBoomer , (edited )

On the other hand, genocide was committed in October, when Hamas brutally attacked the Jewish state, murdering an estimated 1,200 people, Schiff said.

…and the article lost credibility. If what Israel is doing isn’t genocide, then what Hamas did can’t be genocide.

Looked up the people quoted in the article. Rabbi Danny Schiff is an ethics lawyer from Pittsburgh, not a genocide scholar. Avi Ben-Hur, who is more qualified to speak on this said:

“We have a monster on our doorstep,” he said. “We were caught asleep. We had horrible things done to us. It’s not a question of payback. We have to retrieve our safety and security so people can go back to their homes and live their lives like normal people. We have to degrade the monster’s offensive capabilities so this can’t happen again.” source.

Calling them “monsters,” and dehumanizing people, doesn’t gain my trust.

DarkGamer , (edited ) avatar

Oct 7 literally is an act of genocide, see my post above. You're saying they don't have credibility because you don't understand what genocide is. This designation has nothing to do with body count.

TokenBoomer ,

Even if the definition of “genocide” is ceded. The crimes against humanity outlined in the ICJ against Israel and the ongoing humanitarian crisis created by the ongoing conflict is damning.

If we wait to call it a “genocide” after it’s already been committed, then the world will have failed Palestine.

FlowVoid ,

If so then the wars in Korea, Vietnam, and Chechnya were all genocides.

pennomi ,

When entire civilian populations are bombed or starved, then yes. The US is not free of war crimes. They’re merely immune from the consequences.

FlowVoid ,

Not just the US. Chechnya was invaded by Russia. German civilians were bombed by the UK and USSR.

In fact, it's hard to find a large-scale modern war that didn't cause thousands of civilian casualties.

pennomi ,

Absolutely, there were millions of civilian casualties in WWII. The difference here is that there have been, according to Israel, only 273 soldiers killed in ground operation combat vs the 13,000 civilians killed on Gaza’s side. (According to the new, lower estimates.) This is not so much a war as a one-sided beatdown.

DarkGamer , avatar

Are you really suggesting that every asymmetrical war that is conducted successfully is genocide? O.o

pennomi ,

No, I’m saying that if a nation has such a huge advantage they also have more responsibility to select targets carefully so as to not kill noncombatants.

FlowVoid ,

A nation taking lots of casualties has the same responsibilities as one taking few casualties.

That said, the proportion of civilian casualties to the total population of Gaza is comparable to that of Chechnya and less than in Vietnam, North Korea or the East Front of WW2. Unfortunately, civilian casualties are an inevitable part of modern war.

FlowVoid ,

I mean, there isn't any obligation in war to make sure casualties are evenly distributed among both sides.

Normally, a lopsided war ends only when the losing side surrenders.

can ,

Now you're getting it

FlowVoid ,

"Genocide" is just another word for "war"?

can ,

When it's targeted at a specific group of people and there's such a dramatic power imbalance, yes. Whether modern definitions agree or not.

FlowVoid , (edited )

All wars are targeted at a specific group of people.

So if your definition amounts to a highly favorable balance of power, then all countries at war would aspire to make it a "genocide".

can ,

All wars are targeted at a specific group of people.

Yes, my wording was vague. But say you went to war with Canada, a diverse nation. It would feel different if you broadly targeted all Canadians rather than specifically indigenous Canadians, or black Canadians, for example.

And putting this on the table now: I am Canadian and I recognise my country was built upon its own genocide.

Edit: Someone else feel free to chime in, I still don't feel I am conveying this well

FlowVoid ,

Ok, then why would a hypothetical US invasion of Canada (which today, unlike in 1812, would be imbalanced in favor of the US) be better than an Israeli invasion of Gaza?

can ,

It wouldn't be better but the circumstances would determine whether my mind would immediately jump to calling it that. I'm not necessarily quick to jump to claiming genocide but I won't readily denounce it.

FlowVoid ,

Fair enough, but if an invasion of Canada is not necessarily genocide then there must be more to it than attacking a less powerful neighbor.

juicy ,

The thing is, Israel's leaders have expressed genocidal intent over and over again. Just read South Africa's allegations at the ICJ. They have the receipts.

anticolonialist , (edited )

Take your hasbara bullshit somewhere else. According to that same organization you took your definition from, an occupying nation like Israel can not claim self defense when attacked

DarkGamer , (edited ) avatar

Sorry to invade your echo chamber with dissent. It must pain you to be reminded that not everyone agrees with you, that must be so hard for you.

an occupying nation like Israel can not claim self defense when attacked

Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005. A blockade is not an occupation.

TokenBoomer ,

Say what?

New York (20 October 2022) -- There are reasonable grounds to conclude that the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory is now unlawful under international law due to its permanence and the Israeli Government’s de-facto annexation policies, according to the first report to the General Assembly issued today by the United Nations Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and Israel.

Oh, I forgor, the United Nations is Hamas now.

DarkGamer , (edited ) avatar

Oh, I forgor, the United Nations is Hamas now.

Oh no don't forgor. They're not Hamas but they do exhibit significant anti-Israel bias.

Three countries were on said commission of inquiry:

Navi Pillay (South Africa), serves as chair, Miloon Kothari (India) and Chris Sidoti (Australia) serve as members of the commission

Many more opposed their methods and conclusions:

June 2023, United States and Israel joined 25 countries in condemning the open-ended nature of the UN investigation and "the long-standing disproportionate attention given to Israel in the council."

But that's the UN for you, lots of scrutiny and condemnation of Israel, not a peep when Jews are ethnically cleansed from neighboring countries.

TokenBoomer ,

Now the whole world is Hamas? Is reality Hamas too?

juicy ,

Hmm, I wonder why they're paying so much attention to Israel. Could it be the apartheid or the human rights violations or flauting of international law?

Kben , avatar

You support Israel because you oppose the genocidal.This is one of the most batshit insane things i have read on this site,you really cannot have typed that with a straight face.

TheUncannyObserver ,

Anytime somebody starts quibbling over whether something is technically genocide, they’re an immoral person and nothing they say is of any worth to the human species. I didn’t get past the first sentence you wrote before I clicked away.

juicy ,
anticolonialist ,
juicy ,

Oh nice, there's dozens of rewrites out there! I was just turned on to the original a couple days ago

RandomGuy79 ,

It's definitely not a genocide. Not sure about fake probably just not a genocide.

anticolonialist ,

Except the part where it meets every aspect of a genocide.

bdonvr OP ,

Yeah well uh, Trump would've sent 1.2bn

juicy ,

Trump would have sent $1,000,000,000.01, so Biden is clearly the lesser evil

distantsounds ,

Genocide, whaddaya gunna do. Your tax dollars at work.

TokenBoomer ,

Trump would have sent $2 billion, just sayin’ /s

Zedstrian ,

He would've sent everything meant for Ukraine to Israel, and more.

givesomefucks ,

The package can be blocked by Congress if a majority in both chambers object.

Reminder that Biden has already went around Congress this year to send weapons to Israel.

Checks and balances only matter when it can be used to stop things voters want for some reason.

anticolonialist ,

I doubt the Congress that's taken multi millions in AIPAC money will vote against it.

thejml ,

In fact, the GOP Congress was going to push Biden to send this stuff if he didn’t relent:

Biden’s trying to win over some undecided right leaning voters with this whole $1B deal and it’s sickening to his own party.

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