TIL the dev of Iron Lung, an acclaimed indie horror game, faced significant backlash over increasing the price from $6 to $8 ( www.ign.com )

Then, responding to those who have said he’s “only doing this for the money", Szymanski tweeted: “Yes, no fucking shit. I make games for a living. If I didn't want to earn money from them I wouldn't charge money for them.”

The game follows the premise of being trapped in an underwater submarine out of necessity to capture deep pictures.

CriticalMiss ,

Lmao..

AAA dogshit shovelware game increases price from $60 to $70 and some people are unhappy.

Small time indie dev bumps game price from $6 to $8 to keep up with inflation and people lose their shit to the point it goes on gaming msm

No wonder we’re the most abused market.

MagnyusG ,

It's a 5 dollar game (being generous) that was already overpriced at $6. I get wanting more money, but your product isn't worth the price increase to begin with.

circuitfarmer ,
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

It's a 5 dollar game (being generous) that was already overpriced at $6.

Facts and opinions are different things.

If you don't like the game, or think it's overpriced, don't buy it. The dev should continue to price it as they see fit.

When AAA publishers price games at $70, the solution is not to buy it. It's not different here, except that $6 > $8 is not a difference most people (except the dev, due to volume) will care about.

Minotaur ,

Well. Thankfully he never said that his statement was an objective fact.

Seriously, what’s up with you people? Do you need every single statement prefaced with “this is only my subjective opinion and not concrete fact but-!” Or you’ll take it like they’re trying to preach the word of god?

You’re not a computer. Why are you acting like one?

circuitfarmer ,
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Seriously, what’s up with you people?

This tends to mean you've misunderstood a basic social norm.

Minotaur ,

Like interpreting obvious opinion statements as objective fact?

circuitfarmer ,
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Which part of your statement made it obvious?

Minotaur ,

Well, one, Jesus Christ, it’s not even my statement. Two, the guy saying “this game isn’t worth $8” is obviously a subjective statement because it literally cannot ever be an objective statement.

Like. By definition.

When you see a movie rating and someone rates it four out of five stars, you understand that’s not them declaring a universal constant, correct?

circuitfarmer ,
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Here's perhaps what has eluded you overall: $2 isn't even worth continuing this argument.

Minotaur ,

You can just say you goofed up and said something silly lmao. It’s more embarrassing to suddenly go “uhm, actually…. Have you considered I suddenly don’t want to talk about this anymore?” When confronted with an error on your part.

circuitfarmer ,
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I would if I had. I don't see an "uhm, actually" anywhere.

Minotaur ,

Okay, no, that’s fine. You can double down and say that you firmly believe someone saying “I don’t think this video game is worth $8” is an objective statement. Not exactly the move I would make but yunno you’ve got an uhh… interesting noggin on ya (don’t get too mad, that’s a subjective statement).

petrol_sniff_king ,

firmly believe someone saying “I don’t think this video game is worth $8”

Waiiit a minute...

🤔

Hold on a second...

Oh! I figured it out!

That guy never said this.

Aatube OP ,
@Aatube@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Isn't that basically what they said? Or are you outnerding them for paraphrasing inside quotation marks? In that case, sure.

petrol_sniff_king ,

If I can set aside the zingers for a second: kind of.

But this only works because we know there can't be objectivity here. Minotaur even says that in one of his arguments.

The problem---and this is a huge pet peeve of mine, it's kind of the reason these conversations always turn into pissing matches---is that this is an opinion disguised as a fact statement. Probably, to appear more important than it is.

If they had said "I wouldn't pay $8 for this." Well, that's fine. They can do whatever they want. They're dismissable.

But who wants to be dismissed, right? Is it fine if they're the only person in a room of 100 who wouldn't pay $8 for this thing?

It's not fine because they're not actually arguing about the game at all. They're arguing about what has consensus.

"This game isn't worth $8," countered by "Yes, it is." It should have had more content; the content it has is fine. The graphics should be better; the graphics are tastefully retro. This doesn't lead anywhere. It can't.

You can't argue about what the game is or isn't because it isn't either one. So, what people end up arguing about is which opinion is more popular. The "correct" opinion is the one that has the larger army. This ends up being exclusively about social power. And, this is the reason why these conversations get so heated. Both sides, both incorrect, are fighting for the right to be correct.

So, can "this game isn't worth $8" be interpreted as an opinion? I mean, sure. I do that all the time. It has to be said in good faith, though. If you start implying people are wrong to think it's worth more, then you're betraying your real purpose here a bit.

Minotaur ,

Yes they literally did. “This is not an $8 game” means “I don’t think this game is worth $8” when talking about a game that is in the real world price at $8.

No offense, but if English isn’t your second or third language or something you might genuinely have a reading/cognition problem. This is not like a strange use of language, this is just basic sentence structure that should be easily understood by middle school. It’s like the easiest question on the SAT

petrol_sniff_king ,

“This is not an $8 game” means “I don’t think this game is worth $8”

Does it?

Why not just say the second one, then?

You're very good at english, so I wouldn't mind a lesson from an experienced teacher.

Minotaur ,

Because there are multiple ways to say a particular sentence and some people opt to not use the most passive voice possible when speaking (taking an active voice).

Try it out sometime.

petrol_sniff_king ,

"I don't think" and "I wouldn't" are not passive voice.

So, by 'passive' you mean 'weak'. Some people choose not to speak in a 'weak' way.

I'm really learning a lot here.

Minotaur ,

I mean yeah sure man if you want to make utilizing basic phrases and concepts into a “normal people vs pussies” type of dynamic where you are putting yourself in the latter camp sure dude, go ahead.

Whatever helps you

Aatube OP ,
@Aatube@kbin.melroy.org avatar

thing is, using a cognitive verb does not make the sentence in the passive voice

howrar ,

Well. Thankfully he never said that his statement was an objective fact.

They did. Just because you don't explicitly say "this is a fact", doesn't mean you're not making a statement of fact. "This is a $5 game" is a statement of fact. "I wouldn't pay more than $5 for this game" is a statement of opinion. That's the difference between humans reading a passage and computers doing the same. Humans take context and past experience into account, all of which say that the phrasing they originally used implies an objective fact.

Minotaur ,

No he didn’t. He said “this isn’t a $6 game, let alone an $8 game”. Both of those are subjective opinion statements. He is referring to the perceived value of the game being lower to the actual costs of the game ($6 and $8 respectively)

This is really not a difficult thing. I’m not sure why so many Lemmy users are struggling with it

howrar ,

In the only perfectly logical interpretation of the comment, you would be correct. Unfortunately, humans are not always perfectly logical and will often say things that are illogical. The most common meaning intended by the phrase "this is a $5 game" is the illogical one of presenting it as an objective fact.

I refuse to believe that this is the first time you've encountered an illogical statement.

Minotaur ,

So under your grand interpretation, you should default to just saying “no, when they said that they actually meant it in the wrong way”.

You might just be too cynical and online to read man

howrar ,

It's fine (and expected in most human interactions) to default to assuming that the most commonly intended meaning is what's intended. And no, that doesn't mean you should respond like an asshole. Respond to the intended meaning of the original statement instead of commenting on how your use of the English language is superior to theirs.

This is how human interactions work in general. It's worth learning if you want to fit into society.

Minotaur ,

Yep. The intended meaning of the original comment is a subjective opinion. There is literally no way for it not to be.

Hope this cleared things up for you. Really hoping you’re not a computer programmer or like… someone who has to talk to people in your day job.

Aatube OP ,
@Aatube@kbin.melroy.org avatar

you think we talk earthlingspeak?

Anyways I agree with howrar, and all the downvotes on your thread show how many people also do. Language isn't something that College Board can really regulate. They can punish you for not following their rules, sure, but the thing about language is that it changes.

Minotaur ,

It does change. But it doesn’t change when a subjective statement is a subjective statement. “This movie is 4 out of 5 stars” “this game isn’t worth $6 or $8” are never ever going to be objective statements regardless of if it’s 1150 or 2991

Aatube OP ,
@Aatube@kbin.melroy.org avatar

I see that you have been inspired to downvote. Interesting.

This is a pretty silly-cal conversation. "Facts and opinions are different things." was only a minor facet in circuitfarmer's reply anyways. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjectification_(linguistics) literally turned many sentences into opinions. If we're really gonna look at these from a lingusitics standpoint, there's nothing that indicates if it's an opinion from just syntax analysis. It's only because we often associate "5 stars" and "worth" with opinions that it looks like an opinion.

Minotaur ,

Yes. And the original commenter was giving his opinion. This is really not a deep or complex conversation and it’s profound that so many nerds are intending on making it one, presumably just because they at their core disagree with the guys opinion.

howrar ,

https://lemmy.ca/comment/8470067

I'm not going to repeat what I've already said. If you choose to ignore it, then so be it. There isn't really anything I can say to convince you that this is true. You just have to go out in the world and experience it for yourself.

Minotaur ,

I don’t ignore it. You’re just wrong lmfao. Objectively so. Not an opinion.

Goodluck out there kid. You’ll need it

superfes ,

People will literally complain about everything, no sense in trying to appease everyone all the time.

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