Blue_Morpho , (edited )

Imo, the only solution is every device with an antenna must be legally required to put a manual off switch.

Cell service, wifi, Bluetooth, any future service. If it broadcasts it needs a physical off switch.

If I sold my car to a government official and they found out I had hidden a camera, microphone and GPS in the car, I'd get a visit from the FBI. Yet companies do it with impunity. Does the CEO of Subaru have recordings of Bernie Sanders driving in his car?

LostXOR ,

There's always the carefully applied soldering iron.

Blue_Morpho ,

If only I knew where.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

Somewhere in the piece of plastic we somehow call a car. They don't make them like they used to

Blue_Morpho ,

I'm not that nostalgic. Everything about my new car is better than my older cars. My 2023 minivan has a better 0-60 than my old V-8 Mustang while getting 2x the MPG. The only thing that is bad is the tracking.

Telodzrum , (edited )

They sure don’t, cars continue to be safer, more durable, and require less service every model year. The median age of the automobiles on the road gets older every year.

fatalicus ,

Right to the temple of anyone who decided it was OK to do this kind of data collection.

neuracnu ,
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The current generation of the ford mustang Mach-e has its mobile telemetry cellular antenna wired to an isolated fuse that you can just pull out to kill it. I was astonished to learn how straight forward the process is supposed to be.

barsquid ,

I don't trust that they won't save the data and upload it during a servicing.

Blue_Morpho ,

That's a good point. A Lemmy user claimed that happened to him with his Ford.

gravitas_deficiency ,

A link would be better than hearsay

Blue_Morpho ,

I don't know why you care. It's still hearsay because as I said, it was another Lemmy claiming it.

https://lemmy.ml/comment/9399531

KeepFlying ,

And each type of communication needs it's own switch. Don't let them pull some BS trying to make you enable all the hardcore tracking via a cell network just because you want to connect to Bluetooth.

laughterlaughter ,

its* own switch.

aliceblossom ,

For phones, Pinephone is very nearly this. The only thing is that GPS and cell service are on the same switch (because they're handled by the same chip on the board)

aliceblossom ,

For phones, Pinephone is very nearly this. The only thing is that GPS and cell service are on the same switch (because they're handled by the same chip on the board)

cordlesslamp ,

Solution: If it's spy on you then don't buy it.

Next problem.

xep ,

Counterpoint: sometimes it's difficult to tell if something is surveilling you, especially for laypersons.

scoobford ,

There isn't much of an alternative. All major manufacturers have been doing this for a while, we are approaching the point where you'll need to buy and maintain a classic car to avoid this type of data collection. Unfortunately, most people simply do not have the time, money, and expertise to do that. Nor should they have to.

bleistift2 ,

We cannot stop collecting data about you because collecting the datum that you want to stop having your data collected failed.

I wonder if the situation in Europe is different, where such bullshit is illegal.

downpunxx ,
@downpunxx@fedia.io avatar

fuckin europeans. safer and more free from the prying eyes of the data whores, whowouldathunkit. were gettin shafted over here.

altima_neo ,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

We shoulda never left for Plymouth Rock!

abacabadabacaba ,

How dare they have an election system that lets them elect politicians that are actually doing what the people want instead of having to choose between bad and worse! It must be some forbidden knowledge for sure.

SSUPII ,

We have the same choices

0x0 ,

Don't get your idealism in a frenzy. The EU has been passing some interesting privacy laws recently, but politics is politics and the EU isn't immune to lobbying, corruption and incompetence.

Still way better than the US, i'll give you that.

laughterlaughter ,

That one is easy: do not get a new Honda.

0x0 ,

Don't buy a new car, there, FTFY.

Lag ,

The newer model CR-V doesn't need an app, it's just a toggle in the car settings. That icon at the top like the article shows is definitely annoying and I agree in calling it a dark pattern.

Thorny_Insight ,

I was just thinking yesterday what car I would get if I had infinite money and while I'm sure such one probably exists I couldn't came up with one that I'd like better than my -07 Nissan Navara. I mean yeah I would ofcourse do a total overhaul on it and add a bunch of offroad accessories and such but the truck itself basically has everything I need and switching to a newer one would just add stuff I dont want.

I like cars and trucks but I'm extremely uninterested in most of the new ones. Something similar happened with them as with smartphones when they turned from tools into fashion accessories you use to show off to your friends. Can't we just have ones that are decent looking and come with the basic necesary features and nothing more? I want it simple, reliable and easy to fix. I don't want a computer on wheels.

narc0tic_bird ,
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You can opt out by simply not buying one :)

DirkMcCallahan ,

c/fuckcars

PlexSheep ,

Yeah. Fuck cars.

RedditWanderer ,

I know how to opt out! I can opt out of buying a honda!

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

No

BearOfaTime ,

It's not just Honda.

sin_free_for_00_days ,

Remember when gov't banned Furbies (sp?) in some places? Seems like they would make the same decision for a lot of people in important positions regarding their car purchasing.

catloaf ,

I'm sure they'll have a separate government configuration. I'm pretty sure they already do for fleet vehicles.

sin_free_for_00_days ,

I guess when/if I buy another car, I'll look into gov't fleet auctions.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

You could just not buy a smart car. There is a used market although it is a shrinking industry

KeepFlying ,

It's not even limited to smart cars though. Yes used does let you a oid it, but it's not like this is just people buying the fancy trims either. Shit like this is working it's way down to the run of the mill standard cars year after year.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

All newer cars are smart cars

Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
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I don't think I'm going to ever buy a car made after 2020. Maybe earlier. None of the new features really appeal to me, and there are a lot of things like this that actively turn me off from wanting a new car.

If they could just give me an electric version of a 1985 VW Golf I'd be happy as a clam. But they want to put me in some lumpy, heavy, clumsy CUV with tracking technology and all the touchscreens and I don't like it.

halcyoncmdr ,
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EV conversions are definitely a thing. And the Golf platform seems to actually be one of the most popular.

After a quick Google, it looks like there are even some premade kits for the Golf specifically, even with installation available. Although I can only find UK/EU links quickly. May be more built-it yourself in the US.

dual_sport_dork ,
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Crap like this is why I ride a motorcycle.

Only one of my bikes even manages to have enough electronics in it to have a clock.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

They will figure out a way to bundle it

shortwavesurfer ,

buy an old Honda LOL

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

Honestly old cars a great

abhibeckert ,

The hero photo for the article shows a camera over a road that likely is likely running number plate recognition software...

Honestly I'd be more worried about where that data is going than the tracking software in your car. They've got the most critical information (where did you drive and when), and they've got it for every car instead of just Honda drivers.

This needs to be fixed with legislation, and it needs to be fixed actively. For example by getting rid of number plates entirely and replacing them with something like the transponders used in aircrafts and ships, but with an encrypted rolling code that only shares your data when authorised to do so (by the owner of the vehicle).

Apple "Find My" works like that... your location is encrypted, and it's uploaded without any identifying information. When the user brings up a map looking for their keys, that's the only time encryption keys are handed over allowing the already stored information to be accessed. The car version of that could be police asking you at every traffic stop to hit a button on your dashboard that unlocks your registration/insurance details so they can run a quick check against their outstanding warrant/etc database.

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