ObviouslyNotBanana ,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

I honestly have zero problems with W11.

This being said I only run it on my gaming PC. My laptop runs Linux and I like that better. Honestly most people can switch their gaming rigs to Linux as well. I've tried it, it's very good. I've got some elgato products which I wanna keep alive, fuck with VR a little, and freetrack is not available yet which is the real deal-breaker for me.

I played most games on Linux no problem though and it was great.

BassTurd ,

I think I've had just one issue with Linux gaming, and it was made worse by me trying to troubleshoot the error, when restarting the game for the first launch solved it out right. It was a, "have you turned it off and on again?" situations. Otherwise, everything has ran well, installed well, and was pretty seamless. All of that while running Nvidia, which is the biggest surprise.

ObviouslyNotBanana ,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

Yep. That's been my experience too. 9/10 times it runs flawlessly, and when it doesn't it's usually easy to solve. I'm running Nvidia hardware too, and it's been no issue. I do older games on my ThinkPad sometimes too. Zero problems.

BassTurd ,

I can't run Wayland, which I think I've determined is an Nvidia thing, but that's it. I do wish there were more and better options for some softwares, but that's just the nature of the game. Specifically audio recording and CAD leave something to be desired, but there are at least some options.

ObviouslyNotBanana ,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah I'm patiently waiting for Wayland too

Sludgehammer ,
@Sludgehammer@lemmy.world avatar

Windows 10 is pretty crappy but tolerable, everything I've seen about 11 suggests it's a utter shit show.

pearsaltchocolatebar ,

I really don't have any issues with it, but I debloated it as soon as I got it.

floridaman ,

So you removed all of the windows 11 from the windows 11, sounds pretty tolerable.

TheGrandNagus ,

Not like Windows 10 doesn't have heaps and heaps of bloat and spyware. Windows 11 just continues the trend.

aStonedSanta ,

It made the trend visible to non power users atleast. That’s for sure.

Linssiili ,

Yeah, the secret is to debloat it all the way to 7. Going under that is not advisable expect under doctors supervision.

henfredemars ,

I heard it’s pretty good with the bloat stripped. Honestly, if I’m going to start modifying my system I decided I’d rather have an OS that supports it properly.

More power to you though!

otter ,
@otter@lemmy.ca avatar

Do you have any guides or tips for others that might want to do the same?

'clean up your PC' type programs get sketchy, so reliable recommendations would be appreciated

yol ,

As far as a debloater goes I recommend this one. Not only is it fast, it also has options to reverse all the things you did previously.

https://github.com/Raphire/Win11Debloat

yamanii ,
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

Beware of those things, all the people you see complaining that the store doesn't work when they want to use gamepass were debloat users.

pearsaltchocolatebar ,

This is what I use. . They have a good preset, and there's also the option to install 3rd party apps and do UI tweaks.

Cornelius_Wangenheim ,

Same, but I run a "pro" version that I acquired from work like a decade ago.

sebinspace ,

Starting to think MSFT are no longer targeting users that care about that stuff. They’re going after the ignorant/complacent/corporate. I think they realized the rest of us were a lost cause as soon as Linux was remotely an option.

slaacaa , (edited )

I’m from Eastern EU but work in Germany in English. As I grew up with my native language’s keyboard, I always set that up, but turn the display language to English.

Worked fine in 10, but with the new 11 work laptops most things are indeed English, some apps are in my native language, and some in German. And a few days ago, lock screen stock photos started appearing (instead of the company’s logo as before), with quotes in my native language. All because I want to use a specific keyboard.

Based on searching, this is a known problem, win 11 languages are a mess, and no way to fix without resetting settings and reinstalling some things, for which I would need to leave my computer with corpo IT.

CosmoNova ,

American software is terrible at handling multi lingual users, aka people outside the US. Web browsers and Google services suffer from similar problems, but the random quotes in the lock screen are certainly something new to me.

Alk ,

I have windows 11, and with startallback and directory opus both of which I had on 10) it's indistinguishable from 10. No benefits, no drawbacks. Honestly should have saved the trouble and not installed.

EngineerGaming ,
@EngineerGaming@feddit.nl avatar

I honestly don't even distinguish 10 from 11. For me, both are not acceptable on my machine, both have to be fought during daily use. Most problems of 11 originated in 10 and were already too severe.

paddirn ,

I switched from 10 to 11 about a year or two ago and haven’t really had much issue with it. It was mostly a seamless switch, much less trouble than any other Windows transition, apart from something with the taskbar I remember being stupid, but I found some third party software that fixed it. I’d love to hate on MS, but I’m just sort of mildly ok with it. Even Copilot being added in to the sidebar is whatever, I’ve found some random needs for it here and there. As long as it doesn’t go snooping through my computer and report my mountain of illicit mighty morphin power ranger hentai, I should be ok.

Sam_Bass ,

Microsloth doesnt care though. They will continue ramming 11 down your throats

bruhduh ,
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

I remember i had to go from xp to 7 back in the day because of their Frameworks such as directx and .net because new games/apps just didn't launched without new versions of them, i bet they'll repeat this once more to push everyone. edit: to Linux

jdeath ,

yeah i hated that move. XP was so much better than 7. they went really bland, moved all the most useful quick controls, started the process of destroying the control panel... ugh

FortuneMisteller ,

It seems that permanent obsolescence is beginning to cost too much for the users. I hope they will all keep dragging their feet, but will be a tough fight because friendly providers of professional tools will keep releasing the new versions only for Windows 11, eventually they will force some to upgrade.

Lettuceeatlettuce ,
@Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml avatar

So glad my job allows me to use Linux as my OS. I do IT, and everybody else in the company uses Windows.

Constant problems, brutal driver issues, OS crashes and lockups, software installation failures, hardware incompatibility problems, it's awful.

Linux at work, Linux at home, such an improved experience.

I'll still always love XP though, the last OS from Microsoft that felt like it had a soul.

exscape ,
@exscape@kbin.social avatar

I literally haven't had ANY of those problems running Windows 10 or 11 FWIW, not have any of my friends or relatives.

I'm not anti-Linux or anything though, have used it for 26 years now, but only briefly on the desktop.

Lettuceeatlettuce ,
@Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml avatar

I'm happy for you, I wouldn't wish it on people, it sucks.

astreus ,

Work laptops in particular suck, I find. My first one was lagging, freezing, and crashing within months. The second one is three times as expensive but the same brand and is still not happy.

I also use Windows at home and haven't had the same experience. I think it's really manufacturer dependent

laughterlaughter ,

Windows 7 club here.

MudMan ,
@MudMan@fedia.io avatar

Okay, this seemed wrong. As the article said, even Win8 didn't go down in usage over time. So I went and checked the methodology for the source data.

Turns out, this number is based on social media and search engine referral data. Also turns out, they warn that while they do track Bing chat referrals when you follow through a link, they don't see chat responses where you only read the AI response but don't click through:

We have no way of measuring the number of queries performed in bing chat. However, we also don't measure the number of queries to regular search engines like bing or google either. Instead we track search engine referrals.

i.e. If you go to a search engine and do a search for anything and you click on a website result, we'll record that click as a search engine referral if that website had the statcounter code installed. It's the click to a website that we measure, not the actual search queries that were performed.

When you do a search using bing chat, and you click on one of the "learn more" websites we can track that as a search referral. So we are monitoring bing chat in the same way we measure the regular bing search engine.

From this data we can see from the statcounter network of webites, that the amount of traffic being sent to websites from bing chat is very, very small. Less than 1/100 of 1 percent.

So from our data we can say that bing chat is not currently translating into enough clicks to our network of websites to change the search share.

Of course you are less likely to click on a source website from bing chat than a regular search, as it is intended to give you the answer rather than have you go visiting websites to find the answer. So that needs to be factored in when using our stats for your analysis.

That is very interesting. That's a likely culprit for Win11 specifically to have gone down a couple of percentage points in the US and EU (the other territories seem to remain flat), but it's hard to prove.

It's also a bit concerning in terms of measuring the effects of AI search in both network traffic and in how search results are consumed. If that's the cause it does suggest that AI chat users are less likely to follow through to the source info, which seems risky, although it's also hard to prove what that does to receiving truthful info.

Lots of counterintutitive, hard to parse implications from this one data point, but I'd be surprised if it was as simple as "people have randomly decided to roll back to Win10 (and Win8, which also grows) for no reason".

gila ,
@gila@lemm.ee avatar

I think we just need to move on from this methodology of data collection. Firefox is often cited as very unpopular because it blocks statcounter tracking by default, social networks have absorbed some search volume too. I do think it makes logical sense that people are dropping 11; I did so myself last year. But this data is likely bad, so it's pointless to try and extract a reason based on it.

MudMan ,
@MudMan@fedia.io avatar

Well, a data point is a data point is a data point. You just can't make all your decisions based on a single one, at least without understanding what's behind it.

FWIW, the Steam survey has Win 11 growing by 3.5% last month, with Win10 going down by about the same amount (Linux stays at 1.9% there). Neither data source is wrong or bad, necessarily, but you do want to be aware that one is an opt-in survey of gamers and the other is a tracker of search engine referrals.

So the takeaway is that people are probably not deserting Win 11 in droves, but maaaybe their use of online search is being impacted by MS's integration of AI search or something else changing Win11 users' behavior around social media or search engines. Or mostly that it may be too early to tell and we may need more sources of info. For all the glee and schadenfreude in this thread, the big teachable moment is that data and stats are nuanced and hard to read and that confirmation bias is a bitch.

lazynooblet ,
@lazynooblet@lazysoci.al avatar

Steam hardware survey is another data point.

Looks like in March Win10 usage increases a little. Overall it's on a downward trend though.

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/directx/

NutellaIs4Lvrs ,

My work laptop recently updated to Windows 11 and man, what a pile of garbage. If I could downgrade, I definitely would

RiQuY ,

What's stopping you?

EmilyIsTrans ,
@EmilyIsTrans@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

The computer is probably locked down and all software/os provisioned by their IT department

NutellaIs4Lvrs ,

Yes, exactly. I’m not really allowed to do anything other than some minor personalization of appearance.

foggy ,

Windows 11 upgrade strategy was basically like

Microsoft: Hey gurl let's go out, I got a new whip!

You: ...okay, where we going?

Microsoft: uh, girlfriend. Nowhere. Look at you! Come on, we gotta get you looking ready to go out.

...oh no. Oh no, girl. This won't do it all. Call me when you get a nice outfit, k? Bye!

(Later)

Microsoft: 😢 why don't my friends answer my texts?

TheEighthDoctor ,

I use W11, I have no problems with it, sure the settings menus are shit but I just open the control panel directly and its the same since W95. The rest I don't care that much, for work I use Kali anyway.

WSL and installing python from the store (with all the PATH issues automagically solved) is pretty great.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

I recently jumped ship to a new gig that MS’s account reps have burrowed deeply into.

It’s been about 7 years since I’ve been in a “Microsoft for all the things” shop. Now that I’m back in Microsoft land after 7 years, my first thought is “what the fuck happened in Redmond?”

The software is buggy, people are restarting left and right, and everything is missing 25% of their competitor’s features. I feel like I’m visiting a childhood home that is now occupied by hoarders.

not_that_guy05 ,

Bring back windows XP!

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