spacemanspiffy ,

I don't know what to make of these sort of stats anymore. Just this morning I read something saying more people adopted Win 11 in the past month than use Linux.

Potatos_are_not_friends ,

Honestly I see a lot of these stats as circle jerking and just used as fodder to push a narrative.

In my tech circle, most of us own all of them. Like 10% only Linux, 10% only windows, 10% only Mac, then 70% Mac/windows/Linux. So 🤷‍♀️

Draedron ,

The most annoying thing about Lemmy is all the Linux bros crawling out of their holes when the word "windows" is mentioned.

Observer1199 ,

It is extremely irritating - admittedly I used to do the same many moons ago but then I grew up.

I think with experience/perspective people can see that windows is needed. There's just no way all the computer illiterate people (most people) will be able for Linux, not unless it's simplified to be exactly like windows... (I don't want to hear about how your 120 year old grandma learned arch at 100 having never touched a computer before and now teaches software dev - exceptions prove the rule)

I also grow tired of every year hearing it's going to be the year of Linux desktop.

Sizzler ,

Why? Do you feel like you are team Microsoft and anyone suggesting you could have a better experience on another operating system is the enemy?

uhmbah ,

Nope. As a Linux user, even I'm annoyed.

I've seen people ask legitimate Windows troubleshooting questions and then don't get an answer but dozens, if not more, messages to switch to linux.

It drives people away.

JustARegularNerd ,

I'm also a decade long Linux user and it drives me insane too. I'm happy to support someone if they have questions ABOUT Linux, but otherwise I don't shove it down their throat or really mention it. I nearly lost friends being the way so many other Linux users are and that was the changing point for me.

Sizzler ,

I'll admit it's done the opposite to me. Gonna make the switch any day now.

dream_weasel ,

Welcome

Emerald ,

Windows problems?

install gentoo /s

Adderbox76 ,

Pfft. If you're not building your Linux from scratch, are you really linuxing?

warm ,

Linux users do this and then wonder why no one wants to switch to linux.

PriorityMotif ,
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I use BSD btw ;)

Emerald ,

I use Beastie btw

SplashJackson ,

I believe they called it Beast Wars outside of Canada

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

Teenage Mutant HERO Turtles

SplashJackson ,

Pass me on white power, give me my Turtle Power

thorbot ,

October 2025 has entered the chat

pastermil ,

LTSC has entered the chat

thorbot ,

Windows XP has been in the chat this whole time

xapr ,

Has entered the Enterprise-only chat. :)

guyrocket ,
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I think a primary use for windoze machines is gaming. I hear that the steam deck has pushed a lot of games into playable states on Linux.

So I hope this makes it much easier to switch from windoze to Linux.

henfredemars ,

I’m in this camp. I use my PC mainly for gaming, and it runs Linux. All the games I care about are supported just fine with Steam and Proton. Not every game is compatible, but it works for the ones I want to play.

I found it very easy to get my games working, but experiences will vary. Most games were zero effort because it was handled automatically.

Drummyralf ,

I moved to Linux Mint about 4 weeks ago (with optional dual boot Windows).
All the games I tried have worked so far, even when not officially supported (turn on Proton compatibility in steam settings). If your multiplayer games use anticheat, Linux is a no go.

If you happen to have 2 harddrives, try installing Linux on one to see if it's something for you.

xapr ,

People are saying in another part of this thread that many games with anticheat actually work on Linux.

altec ,

After trying Windows 11 for a while, I just gave up and installed Kubuntu on my computer. I still use a Windows VM for some things, but I make sure to firewall the shit out of it lol

Sabata11792 ,

I switched to Nobara. I still got to dual boot 10 for a few games but I'm in no rush to get the install set up. I tried 11 and its just pure ensitifacation.

altec ,

I'm actually scared to dual boot. I've heard too many stories of Windows updates messing up the bootloader

Sabata11792 ,

Wndow's will constantly change it's self to be first on the boot order both in EFI and on the BIOS. It's a pain in the ass to override it every time and it will switch back every time. I haven't had it blow up recently but have had issues with older versions.

It also hangs my BIOS every time it switches the boot order without consent :/

xapr ,

I haven't switched or started dual-booting yet because I haven't had time, but I've read the recommendation that the best way to do dual or even multiple boot is to have separate physical OS drives and select which one to boot from with the BIOS boot selector. Smaller SSD drives are pretty cheap these days, especially if you get them used on ebay or whatever. I picked up a Samsung 240 with 0% wearout for like $20 bucks.

ichbinjasokreativ ,

Kubuntu is a very solid choice!

Rose ,

Since XP, I always upgraded to the next version whenever it came out. The insane hardware requirements of Windows 11 make it the only exception.

sramder ,
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I’m really loving this journey for them 🥰

iliketurtles ,

Whatever happened to windows 10 being the last windows? Like windows was moving to the os as a service model.

yamanii ,
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It did though, you aren't paying for 11.

Llewellyn ,

You cheeky bastard

iliketurtles ,

Fair enough. It just was funny to me that they were so adamant about it when windows 10 launched.

uienia ,

Just paying for a whole new computer required for compability with 11.

ArdMacha ,

Apple moved from X to 11 and onwards

bolexforsoup ,

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    sugar_in_your_tea ,

    And the latest macOS has pretty much the same user experience as the original OS X, just with added features and whatnot. They didn't do a massive overhaul like Windows does every release.

    exocortex ,

    Apparently Microsoft didn't get the memo :-)

    LucidBoi ,

    What's an OS as a service model?

    sugar_in_your_tea ,

    You pay a subscription for support, kind of like with RedHat or SUSE. Or with Office 365, if you want something more consumer-oriented.

    There wouldn't be major releases of the OS, just continual improvements as long as you keep paying. So instead of paying $100-150 every 5 years or whatever, you'd pay $20-50 every year.

    LucidBoi ,

    That sounds lame, what are the benefits of this?

    sugar_in_your_tea ,

    For who?

    For the user, generally smaller changes and staying up-to-date. It's why I use a rolling-release Linux distro (openSUSE Tumbleweed) instead of a release-based distro, I don't like big changes and I like staying up-to-date. I think Windows 10 users were excited to have something similar, where they get the same UX, but with improvements coming in a steady stream instead of periodic major releases.

    For the company, a more steady income stream. That's part of why big, online games like Apex Legends are so popular for big gaming companies, getting a steady income stream is preferable to a bunch of money every game release with nothing between launches. In fact, my company is selling off part of the business because it's too variable (profitability is based on commodity prices) and focusing on the segments of the business that are more consistent. I've heard we'd rather have lower average profit margins than highly variable profit margins.

    LucidBoi ,

    I get it now. It does sound reasonable. I just have an aversion to having to make repeated payments.

    sugar_in_your_tea ,

    Same. But if I'm getting value from it, it may be preferable to making larger payments less frequently.

    But if you remove the payment aspect from it (i.e. it's free either way), there are plenty of reasons to prefer a steady stream of updates to an infrequent dump of updates.

    So then the steady stream vs dump comes down to cost, would you rather pay $120/year, or $10/month? Some may even prefer the $10/month to a modest discount (e.g. $100/year) if it means avoiding the larger, one-time payment.

    Personally, I prefer one-time payments w/ discount and a steady stream of updates.

    LucidBoi ,

    I totally agree with your last statement. Honestly, I usually pirate or buy keys so I'm not one of those people paying full price for software, but regular updates are preferable.

    IzzyScissor ,

    You mean consumers DON'T want ads in every aspect of their OS?

    mechoman444 ,

    The only reason I still even use Windows is because of destiny 2. That's pretty much the only game I play. If there was a good stable way of doing this on Linux I wouldn't even use Windows at all.

    In fact the only computer in my house that even has windows on it is my gaming rig.

    accideath ,

    Same. Was running 10 for years, tried 11, hated it, went back to 10 until that got so bad I just installed Linux…

    Dicska , (edited )

    Same here but with several games that don't run on Linux. For some degree, I even understand the problem, however painful it is: ANY multilayer's anticheat is a pain in the ass if you have to develop them for two OSs at the same time. Counter Strike: Source was virtually unbannable on Linux for way too long, and I'm still not sure where CS2 is standing now (I stopped back in the CSGO times).

    I really don't know how we could fix this, and no, cutting off THAT many games I like is not an option (some of them even barely have a (good) alternative - think of Rocket League).

    letsgo ,

    I'd be happy to upgrade my laptop to Win11 but Win11 doesn't like it. I'm not buying a new laptop just because of Win11's dick moves. Win10 works perfectly well on it.

    Grofit ,

    It saddens me as Windows 8 was absolutely awful and the first step towards the mess we have now. Windows 10 was better but still inconsistent in loads of areas and still felt faffy to use.

    If you ignore the ads and bloat ware in Windows 11 it's not that much better than 10, the UI feels more consistent but still more painful to use than Windows 7.

    We have no "good" versions of Windows to use, they are all bad and getting worse, I would love to jump to Linux but that has its own raft of inconsistencies and issues, just different ones.

    filister ,

    I have Windows 11 for work and I find the new package manager winget as a Godsend. I am doing all program installations and upgrading over it and it works pretty well. Also the terminal is a very nice addition.

    Jaroneko ,

    They are. Both are also available for Windows 10.

    filister ,

    I tried to install winget on Windows 10 but that was not possible if I am not wrong. I think the terminal is available but not winget

    desktop_user ,

    winget exists in windows 10, I can't remember if it is a powertoy or in the ms store or a feature flag thing but it is usable in windows 10.

    lemmytellyousomething ,

    Incredible how it took them 30 years to implement that....

    justme ,

    Good that my windows 7 system still runs when I need it once a year ^^

    pastermil ,

    Ah yes, the good ol tax season.

    cy_narrator ,

    "Solution" is to break Windows 10

    MrSoup ,
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    I hope they do. I would laugh very hard.

    tyrant ,

    Isn't that literally their road map? It's supposed to be end of life shortly

    IronKrill ,

    End of life ≠ breaking it. It will continue working as long as Microsoft doesn't touch it and apps support it.

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